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Old 06-06-2020 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They have lots of options that involve far less pain.
cutting capacity FNGR and furloughing over 2000 pilots.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KIGECA97531
Delta management is pretty good. I find it hard to believe that they would have swung and missed at such a wide pitch. That company doesn't take a dump without wargaming every possible outcome up in the Red Brick Building. Any chance they've run the numbers and decided that another bankruptcy to slash and burn the only union contract in the company isn't the more profitable option long term? I know many who felt the last bankruptcy was intentional, and of course there's the optics of NW and DL having done it so close to each other. Stranger things have happened.
They always have a plan.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The contract is amendable. They have lots of options that involve far less pain.
Oh please. Not this nonsense again.

You keep saying, based on nothing, that they are going to ask for, then actually get, a vitrual immediate release, gut the contract and try and operate the airline in a free for all with scabs. Which is exactly what anyone who goes to work when anyone senior to them is furloughed or displaced would be. Or even the imposition of mass pay cuts. Nope. DALPA would still get a say. Big time.

Not going to happen. And in whatever fantasy world you're in, if it does, the "self help" cuts both ways. They'll liquidate real quick. There's enough FUD out there. Stop piling on with doom and gloom fan fiction.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They will do everything possible to avoid filing chapter 11. They lose control of the company when they file and almost all their compensation plan becomes worthless. The contract is amendable. They have lots of options that involve far less pain.
Are we being released by the National Mediation Board any time soon? We still have mediation, arbitration, and a Presidential Emergency Board, before anything happens. For that matter ALPA has lots of “options” too but I don’t think either side is ready to start a second front in the war. I don’t think anything is a happening anytime soon.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 11:11 AM
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Are we being released by the National Mediation Board any time soon? We still have mediation, arbitration, and a Presidential Emergency Board, before anything happens. For that matter ALPA has lots of “options” too but I don’t think either side is ready to start a second front in the war. I don’t think anything is a happening anytime soon.
Still easier than filing chapter 11 just to get out of the pilot contract. Do you think voiding the contract in chapter 11 will be anymore palatable to the pilot group than a release to self help.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Still easier than filing chapter 11 just to get out of the pilot contract. Do you think voiding the contract in chapter 11 will be anymore palatable to the pilot group than a release to self help.
It would easier is to just negotiate a new contract at some time in the future. At the moment it seems like the far future. Release to self help would take so long we would be on a rebound by then.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
It would easier is to just negotiate a new contract at some time in the future. At the moment it seems like the far future. Release to self help would take so long we would be on a rebound by then.
He's selling the FUD based fan fiction that it could happen much, much sooner.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
He's selling the FUD based fan fiction that it could happen much, much sooner.
And has been pretty active today. The talking points PDF must have made the rounds on the "reasonable guy" email chain last night.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
It would easier is to just negotiate a new contract at some time in the future. At the moment it seems like the far future. Release to self help would take so long we would be on a rebound by then.
It would probably not be a much different track than the chapter 11 process. That does not happen over night. Even if it required more time I suspect management would much prefer that option to chapter 11. In chapter 11 they no longer control the process or the airline. They to a certain extent are along for the ride. Requesting a release to self help is vastly cleaner, easier and lower cost if your intent is simply to void the contract as the original poster stated.
i would expect mediation to resume in the fall.
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Old 06-06-2020 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
It would easier is to just negotiate a new contract at some time in the future. At the moment it seems like the far future. Release to self help would take so long we would be on a rebound by then.
A release to self help will certainly be part of the pressure applied to us in the negotiating process. Hopefully the rebound is very quick and we avoid all that. Regardless our strategy in mediation was that we deserve the massive contractual increases because of the profitability of the company. That’s not looking like a very sound strategy or for the next several years.
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