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block30 06-27-2020 04:09 PM

The admittedly limited feedback I've gotten so far to not take the early out has been trepedations over bankruptcy issues more than anything else.

Scoop 06-27-2020 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by SideSticker (Post 3082047)
Im willing to bet that anyone over 62 not taking this deal is probably already on my no fly list.

14K + Pilots means 14K + individual situations. There may be hundreds of reasons why someone over 62 decides not to take this offer. Maybe they live in base and would rather stay on payroll and drop trips. Maybe they enjoy flying. Maybe they need a reason to get out of the house :eek:. Guys will analyze this and do whats best for them and their families which is exactly what they should do.

Scoop

Gspeed 06-27-2020 05:11 PM

Y’all better quit right now because ZERO % of our contract is bankruptcy proof. Hate to burst all the bubbles.

Sputnik 06-27-2020 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by SideSticker (Post 3082047)
Im willing to bet that anyone over 62 not taking this deal is probably already on my no fly list.

If all the Capt in your category retire but those on your no fly list, hard to get a line

Denny Crane 06-27-2020 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3082103)
Y’all better quit right now because ZERO % of our contract is bankruptcy proof. Hate to burst all the bubbles.

You do realize that's not the issue? Everyone knows the contract not bankruptcy proof. The problem is if pilots take the EO they could lose 100% of income and healthcare. I they stay they still have an income and healthcare unless the company goes into liquidation.........and in that case it would be better if they stayed too!

Denny

Gspeed 06-27-2020 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3082107)
You do realize that's not the issue? Everyone knows the contract not bankruptcy proof. The problem is if pilots take the EO they could lose 100% of income and healthcare. I they stay they still have an income and healthcare unless the company goes into liquidation.........and in that case it would be better if they stayed too!

Denny

Yes I do realize that, but I’m not so sure that all of the “but bankruptcy!” folks do.

BobZ 06-27-2020 05:52 PM

While income may be there healthcare is no guarantee in reorganization.

And if liquidation then everybody is S.O.L.

Oh...except management and the custodian overseeing the liquidation. That gig usually pays real well.

As for better if stayed vs go? Its an individual calculation. In a slide to bankruptcy there will be degradation of terms of employment. While this severance package will be frozen.

Whats better....being retired drawing 58hrs for the next 3 years as delta slides to an eventual bankruptcy?

Or staying.....enduring the inevitable stress and concessions that go along with that death spiral?

Choose wisely.

FL370esq 06-27-2020 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3082039)
how do you make something BK proof?

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Ask Ed, Leo Mullin, Michelle Burns and Joe Kohlshack. They did a pretty good job establishing their bankruptcy-proof golden parachutes

Wolf424 06-27-2020 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3082107)
You do realize that's not the issue? Everyone knows the contract not bankruptcy proof. The problem is if pilots take the EO they could lose 100% of income and healthcare. I they stay they still have an income and healthcare unless the company goes into liquidation.........and in that case it would be better if they stayed too!

Denny


Denny,

Why is it a forgone conclusion to everyone that a bankruptcy judge would throw out the EO completely and cease all payments and not just reduce the pay by X% like everyone else still active? (Serious question). This isn’t the DB...on the grand scale, the early out isn’t an expensive item.

Gone Flying 06-27-2020 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3082139)
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Ask Ed, Leo Mullin, Michelle Burns and Joe Kohlshack. They did a pretty good job establishing their bankruptcy-proof golden parachutes

it's easy to make something BK proof when you are the one deciding what gets cut.


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