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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 3182050)
You think you could supply maybe one single link to support any of these claims?
Also I could ask at least the last 5 posters that made any type of claim to provide a link for that matter. |
According to the NYT a few days ago, they are investigating what may be the FIRST death due to the vaccine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...death.amp.html |
Concerns of the effect of the Pfizer vaccine on oldsters in Norway here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80 Vaccinate away! The obstacle is the way. |
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3182251)
Concerns of the effect of the Pfizer vaccine on oldsters in Norway here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80 Vaccinate away! The obstacle is the way. The second and third paragraphs of the article; emphasis is mine: Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency. “For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences,” the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said. “For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant.” |
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3182251)
Concerns of the effect of the Pfizer vaccine on oldsters in Norway here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80 Vaccinate away! The obstacle is the way. |
Originally Posted by LumberJack
(Post 3182379)
It didn't take long to see you misrepresented the article. You're credibility is approaching zero on this subject.
Then said we need to vaccinate anyway. That's it. A summary (mine), a link (to check it yourself), and an appeal to continue vaccinating despite risks to some outlier recipients (an opinion). ----------- Don't forget that "Block user" is an effective way to remove posters from your feed. Reports to the moderators are also available. Also. "Your" |
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3182409)
Uh, I posted a link and summarized it by saying it suggested that there were concerns in Norway about the effects of the Pfizer vaccine on the elderly.
Then said we need to vaccinate anyway. That's it. A summary (mine), a link (to check it yourself), and an appeal to continue vaccinating despite risks to some outlier recipients (an opinion). ----------- Don't forget that "Block user" is an effective way to remove posters from your feed. Reports to the moderators are also available. Also. "Your" |
Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 3182086)
What does this even mean?
As to your statement about the elderly dying from the vaccine, that was a concern of mine when the vaccine first came out. That the symptoms from the vaccine might be enough to kill some of the elderly, and then pausing vaccinations for safety concerns, on account of the elderly being the majority of initial vaccine recipients. |
Originally Posted by LumberJack
(Post 3181532)
I agree the initial mask recommendation seems like it could have been handled better. Lying to us accomplished his goal of preserving masks for the healthcare workers, but it then created uncertainty with the general public later on.
As for his herd immunity estimate, it does seem like he initially upped it based on polling. He then diminished the influence that polling had on his estimate. Now he's settled on 70-85%. I honestly think he means well, but his public relations could use some work. |
Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
(Post 3182513)
I would think he was trying to prevent a run on masks a la toilet paper. Let health care people get them. I don't call that a lie. Unlike others. And you know who. Look at his record, he's served many administrations with not a hint of BS. And most of his predictions have come to fruition, unfortunately. I can't find one self serving motive in any of his actions.
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Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
(Post 3182538)
Extremists need a constant influx of nefarious plots in order to keep their engines running.
Lockdown, then not then lock down again etc Constant flux generated by whom?? Thanks for buttressing that both sides are the extreme |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3182561)
Masks, no masks, masks no masks...
Lockdown, then not then lock down again etc Constant flux generated by whom?? Thanks for buttressing that both sides are the extreme |
Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3182458)
When my mother was weeks from death, in the nursing home, they recommended she not take the flu vaccination that fall. It or anything could kill her. She survived a couple more weeks, and died Oct 6 of “old age and infirmities.” If she had taken the flu vaccine, she likely would have died Sept. 15, right after getting the flu vaccine.
Im sorry for your loss. |
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3182561)
Masks, no masks, masks no masks...
Lockdown, then not then lock down again etc Constant flux generated by whom?? Thanks for buttressing that both sides are the extreme https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/ou...ut-of-context/ |
So intentionally misleading the American people is somehow not lying. Because it was for a good cause? WTF?
I’ll use that one from now on: “I lied for your own good. So technically it’s not a lie.” 🥱 Disclaimer: I’ve been following Fauci for 20 years and am still a fan. But he dropped the ball here. |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3182674)
So intentionally misleading the American people is somehow not lying. Because it was for a good cause? WTF?
I’ll use that one from now on: “I lied for your own good. So technically it’s not a lie.” 🥱 Disclaimer: I’ve been following Fauci for 20 years and am still a fan. But he dropped the ball here. We all need to own our words and actions, and the perceived righteousness of one's words and actions should not excuse the consequences thereof. This doesn't make Fauci "bad"...but he made a deliberate, calculated CHOICE. We all need to objectively call the spade a spade and acknowledge how such an admission could have impacted impacted the trust given to public health messaging by government officials since late spring/early summer. |
Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3182458)
When my mother was weeks from death, in the nursing home, they recommended she not take the flu vaccination that fall. It or anything could kill her. She survived a couple more weeks, and died Oct 6 of “old age and infirmities.” If she had taken the flu vaccine, she likely would have died Sept. 15, right after getting the flu vaccine.
My mom passed away from "old age and infirmities" also. If she had contracted the coronavirus, she would be listed as a Corona virus statistic. Too bad she didn't....it would have been quicker and more humane than what she went thru. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3181749)
This is a incorrect statement. It’s possible to get covid after a vaccine but before full antibody production. In that case you could spread it. It’s also possible to get covid even with the vaccine and spread it but the numbers look really good. Once you have full antibody protection the likelihood of getting and spreading covid is very low to virtually nil once you reach full antibody levels.
The above perception is driven by the press saying people vaccinated can still spread it. They omit that they mean people who were exposed to covid just before or after getting the vaccine. |
Originally Posted by Viking busdvr
(Post 3182704)
So if I get the vaccine I can get rid of the mask??? Yeah, didn’t think so... New Normal!!!
I am still hoping as more and more people get vaccinated, and the medical community gains more confidence in its efficacy, that there will be some type of identification program so those with immunity, can ditch the masks and go back to normal lives. |
Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 3182736)
I am still hoping as more and more people get vaccinated, and the medical community gains more confidence in its efficacy, that there will be some type of identification program so those with immunity, can ditch the masks and go back to normal lives.
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 3182736)
I am still hoping as more and more people get vaccinated, and the medical community gains more confidence in its efficacy, that there will be some type of identification program so those with immunity, can ditch the masks and go back to normal lives.
A5S |
Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 3182736)
I am still hoping as more and more people get vaccinated, and the medical community gains more confidence in its efficacy, that there will be some type of identification program so those with immunity, can ditch the masks and go back to normal lives.
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On the bright side, masks are ending the Millennial Mumbling problem in the service industry.
Gotta' sound off like you have a pair to be heard through the face diaper. As a crotchety oldster who's gone on way too many walkarounds without hearing protection (then huddled under the APU for warmth), I can appreciate a loud waiter/waitress/server/WTF-do-we-call-these-people(?), I kind of like it. |
Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
(Post 3182762)
To paraphrase George Orwell, "the virus isn't meant to be cured; it's meant to be continuous."
A5S |
30 Million Americans Vaccinated In 25 Days
No official update from the CDC but Bloomberg puts it at another 2.1 million over the last 2 days.
I guess it will be pretty easy for Biden to make his 100 million in 100 days. All he has to do is sit on his hands and let the plan continue to roll out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
(Post 3182808)
please expand on what you are talking about. In what way are we tripping into an Orwellian event? How are masks being used in a negative way?
How much longer will the governors of states continue to execute their "emergency" powers? As an example, my state senator and assemblyman -- our elected representatives -- have zero input into the executive decrees dictating which businesses can operate, how they may operate, and at what capacity. It sure makes "governing" easy; the whole messiness of law making just kind of goes away. To whom do citizens address grievances? Most lawmakers in my state do not even find out about new penalties, fines, or directives until after the media reports what his royal highness and his high court have decided what is best for us. I guess maybe after the W.H.O. declares the pandemic officially over. Maybe? But what about COVID-21 or COVID-22, or the new variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that, of course, requires extension of emergency powers? These are rhetorical in nature, but Rahm Emmanuel's quote seemed to sum it up succinctly. Rant over. A5S |
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
(Post 3182809)
No official update from the CDC but Bloomberg puts it at another 2.1 million over the last 2 days.
I guess it will be pretty easy for Biden to make his 100 million in 100 days. All he has to do is sit on his hands and let the plan continue to roll out. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3181749)
This is a incorrect statement. It’s possible to get covid after a vaccine but before full antibody production. In that case you could spread it. It’s also possible to get covid even with the vaccine and spread it but the numbers look really good. Once you have full antibody protection the likelihood of getting and spreading covid is very low to virtually nil once you reach full antibody levels.
The above perception is driven by the press saying people vaccinated can still spread it. They omit that they mean people who were exposed to covid just before or after getting the vaccine. |
Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
(Post 3182571)
lol, I couldn’t have picked a better person to bite on that one. Try the veal, I’m here all night
I kept it simple for you and yet it's another swing and a miss for your gnat brain comprehension. |
You're still going to need to wear a mask AND social distance after the vaccine.
Why You Should Still Wear A Mask And Avoid Crowds After Getting The COVID-19 Vaccine |
Originally Posted by LumberJack
(Post 3182886)
You're still going to need to wear a mask AND social distance after the vaccine.
Why You Should Still Wear A Mask And Avoid Crowds After Getting The COVID-19 Vaccine |
From today's New York Times: The Moring briefing:
Early in the pandemic, many health experts — in the U.S. and around the world — decided that the public could not be trusted to hear the truth about masks. Instead, the experts spread a misleading message, discouraging the use of masks. Their motivation was mostly good. It sprung from a concern that people would rush to buy high-grade medical masks, leaving too few for doctors and nurses. The experts were also unsure how much ordinary masks would help. But the message was still a mistake. It confused people. (If masks weren’t effective, why did doctors and nurses need them?) It delayed the widespread use of masks (even though there was good reason to believe they could help). And it damaged the credibility of public health experts. “When people feel as though they may not be getting the full truth from the authorities, snake-oil sellers and price gougers have an easier time,” the sociologist Zeynep Tufekci wrote early last year. Now a version of the mask story is repeating itself — this time involving the vaccines. Once again, the experts don’t seem to trust the public to hear the full truth. |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3182866)
You don't readz to well do ya?
I kept it simple for you and yet it's another swing and a miss for your gnat brain comprehension. In all honesty, who gives a **** what the docs did. We are all adults. They had to stop the rush on equipment. If you’re going to pick a fight how about you come up with an alternative that would have avoided the mad rush. Otherwise you’re just whining to whine like a bunch of whiners |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3182948)
... probably not in perpetuity, but definitely for a while. Good article.
I find it frustrating that we had the Spanish flu, which we all know was worse, and then returned to normal. But this one, no no no, click bait articles are the order of the day, 'this is the new normal'. Blah blah blah. Give me a break. We WILL be going back to normal. Capitalism depends on it. |
Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat
(Post 3182983)
Give me a break. We WILL be going back to normal. Capitalism depends on it.
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Originally Posted by Crown
(Post 3183088)
unfortunately, the Great Reset that so many western leaders want is in full swing now. This is their chance to bring capitalism to their knees. It may have been accidental, but it's happening. I'm sure oofff is quite thrilled with this.
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Originally Posted by Crown
(Post 3183088)
unfortunately, the Great Reset that so many western leaders want is in full swing now. This is their chance to bring capitalism to their knees. It may have been accidental, but it's happening. I'm sure oofff is quite thrilled with this.
sounds like more than ooof is living in your head rent free. |
I know I wouldn't be if it happened to my family |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3183205)
So western leaders want to bring down capitalism? Interesting.
that's just three of the most powerful people on the planet heartily endorsing the Great Reset. Which, as I'm sure you know, is a plot designed to overthrow Capitalism, using the "pandemic" as an opportunity to do so. |
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