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Old 12-30-2020, 10:38 PM
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Ok. Just so I got this right then. The intelligent people that told us there was no need to wear masks in the beginning didn't know that there was even the slightest chance they could be effective? Intelligent people use common sense.
They told you not to wear them because there was a nationwide shortage and people with "common sense" like you were hoarding them while doctors couldn't get enough.
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Old 12-31-2020, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley View Post
Keep in mind that you are on a Delta thread and that they are a unionized pilot group. In the airline world there is never a valid excuse to wind up on a scab list. Those who end up on a list typically spend the rest of their careers ostracized and somehow overlooked for positions that are not purely seniority driven. To put it another way, airline pilots look at scabs like Christians look at Judas.
However ...

After the EAL strike in 89 DAL only hired EAL SCABs and by most they were welcomed as ‘brothers’. One PAA SCAB ended up at DAL and dang if he didn’t end up in the union at DAL ... even ended up pictured in the ALPA magazine.

Some things amaze me.

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Old 12-31-2020, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver View Post
and where exactly was ALPA when said pilot had to go to DPA for assistance because ALPA tossed her on the trash heap? A non ALPA, DPA lawyer had to intervene and won. Now ALPA crawls out from under its rock to cheerlead the decision as though they were there the whole time...its time for a new union gang.
You would be correct.
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Old 12-31-2020, 03:26 AM
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From another forum I just read Karlean allegedly emailed the CEO demanding he pay for a layover Christmas party.

Can someone actually confirm this?
It was a request but who does that? Just one strange action in a host of others that led the company to wonder if she was “all there”. Her safety report alone was not the reason for all this and in a vacuum would never have resulted in what ended up happening.
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Old 12-31-2020, 08:59 AM
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Very ironic given your username and all. I wouldn’t throw rocks in glass houses. Makes you look like a tool.
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Finessed View Post
From another forum I just read Karlean allegedly emailed the CEO demanding he pay for a layover Christmas party.

Can someone actually confirm this?
yes

In other news, Delta is appealing the Administrative Law Judge's ruling.
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:35 AM
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Very ironic given your username and all. I wouldn’t throw rocks in glass houses. Makes you look like a tool.
IDK what his motives were but to me I think he was pointing out why people might be obsessive about something. I don’t think he was bashing those pilots, but rather show why someone might be overly cautious.
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver View Post
and where exactly was ALPA when said pilot had to go to DPA for assistance because ALPA tossed her on the trash heap? A non ALPA, DPA lawyer had to intervene and won. Now ALPA crawls out from under its rock to cheerlead the decision as though they were there the whole time...its time for a new union gang.
She was found to have a disqualifying condition by one Doctor. Went through the process prescribed by our Pilot Working Agreement and got her job back as a result of that process. In summation, our ALPA negotiated PWA saved her job.

Even if emotionally involved, there is no need for drama. Integrity First my friend.

The DPA seeks to undermine and decertify the Air Line Pilots Association on the Delta property. The DPA never got enough cards to get a vote and never represented a Delta pilot.

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Old 12-31-2020, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
She was found to have a disqualifying condition by one Doctor. Went through the process prescribed by our Pilot Working Agreement and got her job back as a result of that process. In summation, our ALPA negotiated PWA saved her job.

Even if emotionally involved, there is no need for drama. Integrity First my friend.

The DPA seeks to undermine and decertify the Air Line Pilots Association on the Delta property. The DPA never got enough cards to get a vote and never represented a Delta pilot.
Here is a quote from Ruling in regards to the company appointed "doctor" who found her to have a disqualifying condition.

"Dr. Altman commented that Complainant and her husband at one point had three children under three while Complainant attended night school earning a 3.7 GPA, and she worked at her husband's business. Dr. Altman then said 'I don't know any woman who could do that. I don't know any woman with three under three that isn't exhausted, let alone going to school."

This was used as part of his basis to medically disqualify her and ruin her career. Fortunately the tribunal saw through this idiotic and sexist bull****, saying:

"The Tribunal was struck by DU. Altman's comment about how Complainant's ability to have a career and raise small children was suggestive of mania. Dr. Altman appeared to confuse an industrious mother (not an uncommon trait in modern society) with a manic one. Also Complainant's children are grown adults. It is unclear how complainant's ability to raise in the distant past "three under three" related to her present mental wellbeing or fitness to fly."

This is incredibly embarrassing for Delta. She may or may not have violated the social media policy, I don't know or care. Delta's reaction in hiring a quack doctor to perform a punitive section 15 is beyond the pale. She deserves every penny of the 500K
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker View Post
You would be correct.
Should ALPA use our dues money to defend every pilot?
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