Nyc 320a
 

All,
Thinking about going 320A.
Looking for how life has been over the last few years as a commuter to NYC at around 50-80% seniority.

I know manning is short ALL this month. Historically, how has it been manned?
I normally like to drop a trip or 2.

any other advice/gotchas?
thanks.

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I’ve only heard good things.

Do the words "abusive spouse", "indentured servant", "slave" have any meaning to you?

I commuted to NYC in my previous job and it was super easy. The weather is always nice and as long as you’re not showing up between 7-9am and 4-6pm the traffic is light. I’ve only heard good things about NYC320A category.

Just sticking with the sarcastic theme. Commuting to NYC can be a pain if things aren’t perfect, and the 320 bid pack there doesn’t have a trip on it outside of the top 30% that I’d touch if I had your nav blue login.

If you enjoy non commutable trips, bad weather, stress with traffic, spending money on hotels/ crash pads, and need to be a “captain”, the it sounds like a good choice.

I was in NYC for a little less than 4 years and it really wasn't that bad until Gumm started in. Unlike Midas turning everything into gold, his touch turned everything into sh!t. The 320 in particular was hammered with uncommutability. The biggest network gripe was that NYC had the biggest layover hotel bill in the system. Enter Gumm who basically said, Delta doesn't need to pay for layovers if we put all the first wave departures in base. Brilliant....

Nothing is commutable on both ends and very little is commutable on one end. Trips are mostly 2-4 legs a day. Basically it has turned into the old 88 flying but not much in terms of “villes and burgs”. Mostly FL layovers and some DFW, AUS, SAN once in a while. I don’t recall any months in last 2-3 years where we had zero blue days, so if that holds you should be able to drop something during the week. Weekends can be a diff story with coverage especially lately.

Just do it. Generational movement coming to Delta. Plus 321NEOs on the way. Grab you a Captains spot and get comfortable. Plus you'll look good and get paid good commanding a 321 which is nearly the same size as a 757. Then when you have the seniority to go 330 it's a quick 13 day course.

Don't worry about little things like uBers and hotels. Just 3-4 days of GS(PLENTY of opportunity over the next few years in NYC) pays those tiny costs for a year+. With all the movement happening you'll be able to bounce out of NYC rather quickly unless you mess up and end up liking the base

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C’mon, quit sugar coating it guys...what is it REALLY like?😂

NYC commuter for 7 years serving one base only not 3 sh!tholes.super expensive one, crummy ghetto crashpads, expensive to eat and to get to another airport. Commute sucks unless coming out of dtw region. Non commutative trips no long call from home, roaches in late, idiotic trendy food that is twice what it is in the rest of the free world and liberal tax increases on everything as often as you tie your shoes.

No A position is worth that sh!thole

I commute to Ny320B. Trips sucks, but I don’t have kids and don’t mind commuting a day early, work during the weekends or spending an extra night there.

I don’t mind rsv neither, that’s why I’m bidding A positions in Ny primarily. I’ll do it for the pay raise (even though I can GS a lot, I don’t like playing games to make extra money), but with only 20 open spots, I don’t know if I’ll come down to me. I’m positive that I might get the 737 or the 220. I’m a low 101xx Seniority #.

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Some of us are from that sh!hole, and still live there, because that what suits us. “It’s expensive and overtaxed” would have also worked.

Does that change the filth, stench, trash bags on the street, urine on the walls, disgusting and unsafe both health and security wise public transportation? Nope it's still a horrid place

Let's not forget the bed bugs at every hotel

You either get first place for the sarcasm award or you need serious help. I can't decide which :D

Well he’s serious.....so......


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Stay on topic fellas.
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I’m sure his narrative is to sway people’s opinion.

NY is still the most junior base period....if you want left seat, that where you go. It’s all what you make it.

Those mindsets are the reason those of us that live here(that know better) work for essentially a different airline. That mindset allows me to be a 320 CA in my bed at home almost every night after seven years on property b/c people are scared off by NYC. People literally think all of NY and LI looks like a run down block in Queens or Brooklyn. If you are willing to live here or are from here, the opportunities are astounding compared to our other domiciles, but I'm happy to let everyone know what a sewer this place is.

Cant both be true? It’s a sewer and you have great job opportunity? A sewer run by a rat.

To each their own. Opens up a spot to an enterprising pilot that's alittle more "open minded"

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I know I laugh every time he comments about gs make up for everything. He obviously does not have a family yet.

I was once an ATL-centric, “never New Yorker”. Circumstances in my life changed and I bid up first on a NB for Max seniority and then to the ER. Best years of my career. Out in SEA now, and while great, I can’t wait to get back someday.

Some of the best crews, most diverse flying and best relative seniority. If you’re even slightly inclined just take the plunge.

What Trip says is true. Guys get all bent out of shape trying to split a General taxi with the flight attendants hustling from one airport to the next. No wonder they think it sucks. Spend a couple bucks on ubers and hotels and enjoy the ride.

Best of luck to the OP.

What about DTW320A? There are only 22 posted vacancies in NYC with 5 pilots still holding reinstatement rights for a net of 17 vacancies as opposed to DTW with 69 posted vacancies with only 3 pilots holding reinstatement rights for a net of 66. Gonna have to be a lot more movement out of the NYC category to compete with the DTW category.

Nyc 320a
 

Oh.....he does.....

Different strokes for different folks


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I will be shocked if a good number of those DTW openings don’t get filled by current NYC 320A guys trying to improve their QOL, thus opening up more NYC slots.

Precisely . Folks miss out on the big picture staring at little stuff. If you're going to be super duper reserve for an extended period(probably 2017+ DOH) that's a different story but 50-80%(easily a line holder) NYC320A is 300K+ job on an airplane that's widely regarded as the easiest training program at Delta. Then you add in epic movement from retirements combined with fleet growth with the imminent arrival of the 321NEO. And folks want to talk about $40 uBers. Talk about stepping over a dollar to save a nickel.



I think you're spot on. With NYC being so commuter heavy I think the new positions on multiple fleets in DTW and SEA grab alot of folks out of NYC. Combine that with the NYC Widebody A positions freeing up alot of NB A positions in addition to the vacancies and you have all kinds of opportunities available in the Big Apple.

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Plus with positive space commuting + no backup required for the next ~18 months maybe that pill becomes easier to swallow for some.

Gutsy move on a 365 AE. One might even call that short-sighted?

There are always more positions filled than what is posted, especially on an epic bid like this. There will be a lot of extra “contingent vacancies” from the cascade of senior openings as people move up/on. As in, a LOT. There will probably be positions filled on nearly every single position across every base, despite a lack of posted vacancies. (For example, there are 0 ATL320B posted, there will be 30-40 awarded, I’ll bet)

I cannot overemphasize enough to bid what you want, regardless of the AE Memo. Not only will you not get what you don’t ask for, someone else probably will.

it’s going to be a helluva ride. Mother of all MOAB’s. I suspect the biggest bid any of us will ever see. 1000 A’s, 800 new captains projected. The math is undeniable.

What’s the length of the AE have to do with it? Freeze starts immediately, even if you don’t train all year.

With PS commuting coming to an end 1 Nov 22, it could be that a bidder only gets 6 months of benefit if trained at the back end of the window.

But you are right, there would only be another ~6 months after PS ends before you could bid off if you can’t switch base before then.

When gauging the advantage to being based in NYC, juniormost base is huge, but so is base size. I've heard NYC is Delta's second-largest base. How many captains and first officers are based there? AAL has 1216 for reference, all types included.

I have commuted to NY for 20 years from MCO. On the 7ER... with the only flying out of JFK it wasn't bad. - no sarcasm - I rarely had to go the night before, but I kept a crashpad just because the winters can result in no hotels being available and I don't sleep in lounge chairs. I left that kind of lifestyle behind in college. That was pre ChinaFlu.

Maybe we'll get a new PWA to replace our amendable one with permanent positive space commuting?

You are presuming that our industry-leading CR team will fill all of those vacancies and contingent vacancies. There have been several AEs in the past where they decided not to fill all posted vacancies after the training combobulator spit out "epic" numbers of training events. If the training churn will cause too many events (even in a 365-day conversion window), I suspect all of those posted vacancies and contingents won't be filled. Regardless, this is going to be a big bid (some might even say yuuuuuuge) because CR needs to rebalance NB positions but don't be surprised if CR can't swallow all of the training.

One thing I've learned over the years is that these bids are never as epic as they seem and the displacement bids are never as bad as they seem.

lol....6 month captains?! Multiple categories with captains under 2yrs?! What exactly would be epic to you?

NH WB Captain. :p

Thoughts on 2 leg commute? Still worth it?