Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3312061)

Semantics are important since so many of our PWA grievances revolve around loose language.

I will agree that an "entry level pilot" does have a category lock IAW with PWA 22.G.2

However, PWA defines "Entry Level Pilot" as a pilot that hasn't finished initial OE...once you finished IOE, you are no longer an entry level pilot.

And, take a look at this recent AE results....hell there are entry level pilots on that list that haven't even started IOE yet (EDV flow) and they went from NYC to ATL.

The M.O of the company is they treat it as a 24 month seat lock, not a category lock.

I will write to my LEC to recommend that inconsistency / confusion in that language get cleaned up.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3312061)

Semantics are important since so many of our PWA grievances revolve around loose language.

I will agree that an "entry level pilot" does have a category lock IAW with PWA 22.G.2

However, PWA defines "Entry Level Pilot" as a pilot that hasn't finished initial OE...once you finished IOE, you are no longer an entry level pilot.

And, take a look at this recent AE results....hell there are entry level pilots on that list that haven't even started IOE yet (EDV flow) and they went from NYC to ATL.

The M.O of the company is they treat it as a 24 month seat lock, not a category lock.

I will write to my LEC to recommend that inconsistency / confusion in that language get cleaned up.

Originally Posted by tankerclown23 (Post 3312066)

So for clarification’s sake, if one were to hypothetically drop NYC220 in indoc, when is the soonest they could get to another base that doesn’t have the 220? 1 year?

Originally Posted by bode (Post 3312073)

Disregard. I didn’t RTFQ.


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Originally Posted by tankerclown23 (Post 3312066)

So for clarification’s sake, if one were to hypothetically drop NYC220 in indoc, when is the soonest they could get to another base that doesn’t have the 220? 1 year?

Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 3312250)

I’m still confused on how the edv guys got an AE award when they haven’t even started yet. That’s a great deal for them. Guess they won’t take anything in their new hire class drop?

Originally Posted by NotMe (Post 3312285)

EDV folks were “hired” and got a class drop 3 months ago. September “hires” will be in class November with 3 months of seniority… October in the December class, November in the January class, etc. EDV pilots that have been hired but not yet trained are eligible to bid on AEs.

Originally Posted by NotMe (Post 3312285)

EDV folks were “hired” and got a class drop 3 months ago. September “hires” will be in class November with 3 months of seniority… October in the December class, November in the January class, etc. EDV pilots that have been hired but not yet trained are eligible to bid on AEs.

Originally Posted by DoNoHarm (Post 3312287)

So, EDV pilots are given seniority dates while still working at Endeavor? So people that as a military pilot, you can show up to class and potentially have dozens of pilots that are not even on property yet that are senior to you?

That's pretty messed up.