Delta Pilot Sues Delta
 

This will also be interesting!
Delta Pilot Sues Delta Over App

He’s looking for a settlement…..
And he’ll probably get it.

$1B?! Haha, what planet is this guy on?

Aim for the stars and some such blah blah blah something moon.
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Hired Morgan and Morgan. Wonder if he got this idea after watching a late night commercial

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Only one poster appears to be aware of the concept of the settlement.

Article doesn't say if he patented his app, or at least applied for one. *

This seems relevant. Do apps need patents?

Probably some issues with developing work product and who gets the benefit. The chemist(s) who developed MS Contin received a one off bonus; the Sackler family via Purdue Pharma raked in billions in personal payouts, for example.



*(DeKalb country doesn't have a way to access the complaint electronically)

Yup! I can't see him getting anywhere near that, but if what he states is true, then he'll likely have funded his own pension and then some lol.

If what he states is true he deserves a sizable settlement. It should be fairly easy to establish through inter company correspondence if his claim is factual. If so Delta will settle.

There goes our PS…..

I mean, if he intended to sell it world wide to other carriers, why not aim high!

So many Pilot lawyer experts. Hey look, I’m so smart I think I’ll interject on this topic too!

It would have been cheaper for DL to but his app, but that’s not how corporations operate.

He deserves nothing because of the dumb name he gave his app

Yes a huge mistake..He should have hired Ken Nugent. "One call that's all"

Flew with a Flight Operations manager in 2008 that outlined this project in great detail. I do not think this was a "new" idea in 2016.

Wow he got hired by Northwest at a young age.

Ummm, Joe Kolshack? I give up, who hired him?

Big E 757 is a 320 left seat?

Yes. When I made this account, I was riding shotgun on the ER.

I’m an Alexander Shunarrah man myself. He doesn’t win every case, but he’s never met a billboard he didn’t like.

Shame on you for trying to make this about pre-merge airline of hire.

Pitiful.

We're nothing is not tribal

But before even looking it up, we knew, didn't we?

While he was out of work for a back injury couldn't he have found the time to apply for a copyright, or patent? I have several ... it ain't hard and... others have tried to take my ideas and they have to pay me because I own the IP.

Investors in intellectual property look for some sort of protection, that an idea has enforceable rights as the creator of something innovative. (information provided by his 92 page complaint) I found exactly no instances of any protection of any intellectual property (and again, this was being discussed by flight operations in 2008, so far from an original idea).

The plaintiff's idea of being able to text crew scheduling hasn't happened, has it?

It is what is it is. ALPA will have to defend him for his VEOP at his own hand. I am contributing to his defense and wish him well.....

Bar has a long history of thinking he was “chosen”, but just barely. What’s the saying about brown nosing and depth perception?

iPads weren’t even invented yet in 2008

How dare you use "we" as if I'm going to stoop to your level.

You're probably the only one to go look up what airline this pilot was hired into.

Nobody cares.

It's history.

The 5000 post-merge hires (and everyone else) are waiting for you to move on.

You’re a true peach aren’t you? The slight outing, mentioning an injury. What a unionist, you’re Dad would be so proud.

Yeah, I figured out it was Craig Alexander from Bar’s post…no, wait. I think I actually figured it out from reading his name in the first paragraph of the article in the first post of the thread. It was definitely one of those two sources.

This has to be in the running for Post of the Year. Bravo!

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The first iPhone wasn’t even released until June 2007. Based on the IT and how we use it, unless it was Steve Jobs himself in the cockpit I call complete and utter BS about the claim that this was discussed by anyone at delta in 2008. Maybe that was a typo and he meant 2018?

The Winklevoss twins won 60M after Zuck simply stole the idea of Facebook. CA Alexander may get a settlement for sure if his lawyers are good. He should have hired the firm they used.

Wasn't referring to his name, but you keep being quick as always.

Is the complaint available online?

Mostly idle curiosity. I’d like to read it. Couldn’t find a way to access it on the Dekalb County court system.

Maybe it’s the a/c we fly, but at least once a month I hear, “I lost xxx years in the merger”. You may think the animosity is gone....but it’s not. It’s just pilots being people...it’s human nature for us that aren’t quite so enlightened.

JMHO

Is it true you're running for C44 captain rep this summer/fall?

JMO - most of wouldn't dream of writing the CEO and demanding a Christmas party, with booze, in Honolulu, or expect to sell our ideas to the company as "Mob Crew." Nor would we think to try to use the company's logo for promotional materials while we gave talks on how we thought Delta's operations and training are unsafe. When these ideas went sideways, filing a lawsuit for more than a billion dollars against Delta is just something most of us wouldn't think advisable.

It is just corporate culture. Delta has never seemed to want to have an employee provide services as a vendor, particularly in some job classifications. Delta has been victimized by employees who set up fake companies and defrauded the accounts payable department. I am in no way saying a pilot has ever done that, but the company is very concerned about employees having business relationships with Delta to the point that I'd consider it a bit paranoid. For example, a donation of about $3,500 to the Delta museum through one of my little businesses resulted in calls from the CPO and a back in forth with Delta's legal management ensuring I was not trying to even think about becoming a vendor for Delta... (and all I was doing was giving away stuff to support the Museum which is an independent entity)

I have no idea how Northwest's culture was and if that company bought things from pilots. I've just not seen it done at Delta.

We have some very sharp people who have developed IT solutions which have been adopted. After a while, it seems Delta made it harder for them to access the data they needed, or released competing products and directed employees to those products; MiCrew is an example.

I’m not aware of another use of “outing” in this context, so please let me know what you meant then.

Could be off on the date. Have to look up the rotation, but this was just after the merger and before the Surface deployment. The manager was all about capturing minutes and shaving inefficiency out of the operation, as well as a way to measure recaptured minutes. His version of a flight family (and maybe it does) measured everything. What he described is very much like the current use of flight family where OCC & Tower were in the comms loop. His initials are JS.

If anything, Plaintiff's ideas probably did not get the usual pushback from Flight Operations because Flight Operations was already of the same mind.

Steve Dickson was talking about doing away with paper flight plans back then as well ... still hasn't happened.

The idea of being able to text message ops & scheduling is (was) a pretty common thought. The "idea" is not worth anything unless it is reasonably protected through copyright, patent and/or trademark. Reading through the complaint it appears Delta was beginning to protect its position through non-disclosure agreements. As a "creator" the plaintiff not only would have needed to protect himself from his client taking his product but also his developers from claiming it as their own.

Again, my friends in this space, as well as customers, investors, and anyone who watches Shark Tank know your business is worth less than nothing if the idea can be taken by someone else. This "product" is tougher than most to protect because it is really just a combination of existing ideas with an obvious solution.

We would see how short the memories are of the 44 folks and if they care about scope.