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boog123 08-19-2021 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3281443)
Just keep in mind that when PBS was agreed to in negotiations we were promised the following in a giant PowerPoint screen.

PBS will be simple, intuitive and easy to use

PBS and average day vs Min day were responsible for 90% of the manning shift during BK, per the reps. There’s a reason airline management wanted those two things so badly. At NWA, those two things resulted in needing 15-18% less pilots overnight.

Iceberg 08-19-2021 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 3282034)
Is this the part where we all start listing what we like individually as if that’s meaningful in some way?

Isn’t that how an aggregate database is set up? Granted this isn’t a database, but it doesn’t seem that outlandish an idea to say something.

I like shorter trips, 4 is long and 5 is ridiculous. That’s why I end up with 3 day trips back to back. I suck at bidding and the company knows I love to be gone for longer stretches.

All 5 Stages 08-19-2021 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 3282034)
Is this the part where we all start listing what we like individually as if that’s meaningful in some way?

This is the part where somebody quips that living in base is a choice.

A5S

sailingfun 08-20-2021 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3282063)
PBS and average day vs Min day were responsible for 90% of the manning shift during BK, per the reps. There’s a reason airline management wanted those two things so badly. At NWA, those two things resulted in needing 15-18% less pilots overnight.

I don’t know the prior rules at NWA so can’t comment. On the Delta side changes in total allowable credit hours and lost vacation were the biggest drivers of job loss. PBS did not have as big a impact as the company hoped. Dramatically lower pay rates caused pilots to fly more to make up the difference and the increases in caps plus other work rule changes allowed the extra flying.

NuGuy 08-20-2021 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3282063)
PBS and average day vs Min day were responsible for 90% of the manning shift during BK, per the reps. There’s a reason airline management wanted those two things so badly. At NWA, those two things resulted in needing 15-18% less pilots overnight.

Those numbers are a bit high from what I head from my Rep at the time. The top end was about 15%, with the month-to-month transition absorbing most of that at about 8-9%. Vacation, training, mil leave accounts for the rest.

PBS at NWA was pushed in kind of an aggressive way by a handful of guys, and it was in place well before BK. The "paper bidding" before that could be best described as "Wow, this is a bit weird. There has to be a story behind it." Reserve bidding was handled differently because reserves were all separate categories from line holders.

RonRicco 08-20-2021 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3282028)
Im a commuter and I HATE 5 day trips. The only 5 day trips that I don’t entirely hate are the 5 days with 4 duty periods, a long layover on the 3rd night, with a red eye at the end. If I could work commutable 3 day trips, I’d do it, but rarely do I see commutable 3 day trips on the 320. I can tolerate 4 day trips but it seems even commutable 4 day trips can be rare, depending on the time of year.

Also, the FA’s seem to have lots of 4-5 hour sits on their trips. That alone would make me vote in a union at the first opportunity.


Exactly this. I am not against having 5 day trips, but quite a few categories are dominated by 4 and 5 days so much so that it made staying inside the LCW almost impossible without getting at least one 5 day. I never thought I would go back to international, but the way these domestic trips look now have me heading that direction.

Fatty 5416 08-20-2021 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3282128)
This is the part where somebody quips that living in base is a choice.

A5S

Or says that Miatas are not sports cars….

Hrkdrivr 08-20-2021 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Fatty 5416 (Post 3282453)
Or says that Miatas are not sports cars….

Eggzactly.

Breadcream 08-20-2021 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 3282461)
Eggzactly.

Is the Miata considered a coop?

Man that thing really flies.

Hrkdrivr 08-21-2021 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Breadcream;[url=tel:3282607
3282607[/url]]Is the Miata considered a coop?

Man that thing really flies.

It does! But not like this B-58 Hustler!

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