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FangsF15 08-09-2021 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by AirbusPTC (Post 3276524)
Do you have access to SkyHub? Because coincidently there is a similar discussion there I just stumbled onto. I probably can't/shouldn't post names but the head crew resources guy (good guy btw) has said in a post that shorter trips are less costly than longer trips according to their analysis.

He keeps saying stuff like that, and that More/smaller AE’s are better too. I agree with your assessment he’s a good guy, so that leaves one possibility: his bosses don’t care and/or aren’t willing to push back on network or marketing making our lives miserable for an extra penny or two. THAT is what I find so difficult to swallow, and goes against every fiber of my training and experience prior to coming here. Zero analysis for how much pain that very slight “efficiency” costs the rest of us.

crewdawg 08-09-2021 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3276569)
He keeps saying stuff like that, and that More/smaller AE’s are better too. I agree with your assessment he’s a good guy, so that leaves one possibility: his bosses don’t care and/or aren’t willing to push back on network or marketing making our lives miserable for an extra penny or two. THAT is what I find so difficult to swallow, and goes against every fiber of my training and experience prior to coming here. Zero analysis for how much pain that very slight “efficiency” costs the rest of us.

This type of mentality is what will cost them in the long run. A happy work group will bend over backwards to help the operation. An unhappy group will do their jobs. The bean counters can't put a price tag on it, so I guess it's not a problem for them.

notEnuf 08-09-2021 09:04 AM

Previous advice I've taken to heart. Do your job to the best of your ability, not everyone else's.

boog123 08-14-2021 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3276521)
True, but, the irony is Delta hires people who are screened to be the folks who make it work.

Yes, easier, maybe better, to shut the cockpit door while repeating "not my job" but that does not describe most Delta employees. American is full of them. That's the difference.

Guess my point is also, we are NOT defenseless. Rotations fatiguing? We got that covered. Most pilots had found ways out of that rotation and me (hard working and stupid) was in the 20%.

Wow, someone has a high opinion of themselves and doesn’t mind bad mouthing their fellow pilots.

Rooster435 08-15-2021 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3279313)
Wow, someone has a high opinion of themselves and doesn’t mind bad mouthing their fellow pilots.

Are we reading the same post? Seems like the only one he’s bad mouthing is himself.

boog123 08-15-2021 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3279743)
Are we reading the same post? Seems like the only one he’s bad mouthing is himself.

“most pilots have found a way out of that rotation”. Subtle jab, calling them out….that’s his reputation though. Good luck 44

Rooster435 08-15-2021 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3279858)
“most pilots have found a way out of that rotation”. Subtle jab, calling them out….that’s his reputation though. Good luck 44


Ok, I took that as a compliment. Maybe not intended that way. Good on them for finding a way out. That’s what I would do. No way I’d do a few of these trips I’ve seen lately.


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m3113n1a1 08-15-2021 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3279858)
“most pilots have found a way out of that rotation”. Subtle jab, calling them out….that’s his reputation though. Good luck 44

I'm with rooster on this. Definitely self deprecating humor aimed at himself (he's the only one stupid enough to get stuck flying the trip). Seems like you're quite the sensitive one!

boog123 08-15-2021 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3279976)
I'm with rooster on this. Definitely self deprecating humor aimed at himself (he's the only one stupid enough to get stuck flying the trip). Seems like you're quite the sensitive one!

or maybe you don’t know what I know. Next.

UGBSM 08-16-2021 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3276521)
.... Most pilots had found ways out of that rotation and me (hard working and stupid) was in the 20%.

So what are some techniques for getting out of a rotation? I see even somewhat junior pilots in my category that drop all of their trips and just pick up broken trips all month long. How do they do it? How do you manage to get rid of a four day trip over a weekend? Im not talking about bidding Mon-Fri trips and then PD them. They don't APD, PD, IVD, or sickout yet somehow every month they do it. Is there a swap with the pot trick?


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