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Old 09-14-2021 | 03:38 AM
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Just a heads up for those who might be thinking about a second or third or fourth marriage. Whoever you are married to at the time of your death gets your 401k regardless of who you have listed as beneficiaries or what your will or trust says. A new spouse can waive this but only after the date of marriage. Can’t be a prenup.
With so much of our retirement tied into the 401k this might surprise your kids or other family members when your 22 year old Ukrainian bride gets it all after you die on the honeymoon.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 03:53 AM
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Begs the question: what, then, is the point of a married guy or gal listing beneficiaries?
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by buckleyboy
Begs the question: what, then, is the point of a married guy or gal listing beneficiaries?
Your current wife drives you off a bridge after hearing about your plans to divorce and marry the 22 year old Ukrainian.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Just a heads up for those who might be thinking about a second or third or fourth marriage. Whoever you are married to at the time of your death gets your 401k regardless of who you have listed as beneficiaries or what your will or trust says. A new spouse can waive this but only after the date of marriage. Can’t be a prenup.
With so much of our retirement tied into the 401k this might surprise your kids or other family members when your 22 year old Ukrainian bride gets it all after you die on the honeymoon.
​​​​Where is that written?
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:13 AM
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Not sure how this would happen. AFAIK, the listed beneficiaries on any retirement plan even take precedence over what is written in a will, should there be a discrepancy.
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
​​​​Where is that written?
Everywhere.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Everywhere.
Isn't on the beneficiary designation page....so....clearly not everywhere.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
​​​​Where is that written?
ERISA pension law and yes your 401K falls under ERISA.

If You Are Married

If you are married, federal law says your spouse* is automatically the beneficiary of your 401k or other pension plan, period. You should still fill out the beneficiary form with your spouse's name, for the record.

If you want to name a beneficiary who is someone other than your spouse, your spouse must sign a waiver. The waiver MUST be in writing.

For example, you might be separated from your spouse - not divorced - and want to name a new beneficiary. Even if your intended beneficiary is a domestic partner you've been with for 20 years, your spouse will have legal claim to your 401k if you die, unless he or she signs a waiver.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
ERISA pension law and yes your 401K falls under ERISA.

If You Are Married

If you are married, federal law says your spouse* is automatically the beneficiary of your 401k or other pension plan, period. You should still fill out the beneficiary form with your spouse's name, for the record.

If you want to name a beneficiary who is someone other than your spouse, your spouse must sign a waiver. The waiver MUST be in writing.

For example, you might be separated from your spouse - not divorced - and want to name a new beneficiary. Even if your intended beneficiary is a domestic partner you've been with for 20 years, your spouse will have legal claim to your 401k if you die, unless he or she signs a waiver.
That is why you execute a pre-nup or a legally enforceable separation agreement.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:42 AM
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What I'm hearing is, once divorced, never get married again. Sounds about right.
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