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Originally Posted by Viper25
(Post 3866530)
Does anybody actually have a reference that says human beings must be used except for notification to conversion to SC? I cannot find anything explicit in the PWA that distinguishes between people and robots.
SRH page 79 talks about this as well. |
Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 3866537)
SRH page 79 talks about this as well.
23S5d1, as previously posted, mentions “telephone contact from crew scheduling.” I’m totally in agreement of what we’re supposed to do in practice and I won’t undermine it, but, nowhere does that phrase say to me that it is a human or robot calling a telephone. Thank god for the SRH offering clarification out of the aether. |
Originally Posted by Viper25
(Post 3866571)
This is fairly cut and dry. The contract itself, not so much.
23S5d1, as previously posted, mentions “telephone contact from crew scheduling.” I’m totally in agreement of what we’re supposed to do in practice and I won’t undermine it, but, nowhere does that phrase say to me that it is a human or robot calling a telephone. Thank god for the SRH offering clarification out of the aether. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3866575)
The SRH is contractual.
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
(Post 3866578)
It is, until CS decides its language doesn't benefit them, then they tell you "we only go by the PWA."
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
(Post 3866578)
It is, until CS decides its language doesn't benefit them, then they tell you "we only go by the PWA."
2) the RLA stipulates “fly now, grieve later,” except that if you look at the beginning of rhe SRH you’ll find the “walk away” items. with the exception to the exceptions, stand your ground as able then submit a crew assist pay / pre-grieve, then submit to STS. |
Originally Posted by cencal83406
(Post 3866589)
1) it carries the full weight of the PWA, it’s been agreed to as the interpretations of the language at the highest levels in scheduling
2) the RLA stipulates “fly now, grieve later,” except that if you look at the beginning of rhe SRH you’ll find the “walk away” items. with the exception to the exceptions, stand your ground as able then submit a crew assist pay / pre-grieve, then submit to STS. |
Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
(Post 3866590)
I totally agree, I am just refeerring to exactly how far referrencing the SRH normally gets me with CS. Not saying they are right. I did wish there were something in writing to point to, other than just saying that I have been assured that it is binding.
rumor has it (ha, I’m absolutely certain a CPO would do this), a CPO told a pilot the PWA doesn’t apply during IROPs. The company culture is simply to ignore their deals when it’s inconvenient. And to think the MEC wanted to sit with the company and negotiate an IROP LOA. 😆 |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3866575)
The SRH is contractual.
How can the source document not say that there’s a human in XYZ case and a robot in ABC case? Both cases are “telephone contact.” |
Originally Posted by Viper25
(Post 3866606)
I understand this, but the SRH derives its information from the PWA. It is “second hand” in that way, even though it IS binding. The SRH won’t say ADG is 5:10 because the PWA doesn’t say that. It can clarify language that’s IN the PWA, but it can’t change the content of the PWA.
How can the source document not say that there’s a human in XYZ case and a robot in ABC case? Both cases are “telephone contact.” 23.S.5.c (conversion to SC) says “attempted contact by crew scheduling” 23.S.5.d (notification of assignment to open time) says “telephone contact from crew scheduling”. Apparently “attempted contact” can include CNO, while telephone contact is more explicit that it must come from a live scheduler. |
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