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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3356022)
Yep. And then plug in all the ancellary costs. Obviously room and board, meal plans and spending money, parental sponsored travel and leisure, all those years of lost income (and compounding returns), lost experience, etc.
Clearly there are some degrees that equal or even exceed that very steep investment. But most don't. And we still collectively look down on "votech" pathways, despite many far superior earning opportunities existing. Primacy, recency, expectation and normalcy biases, peer pressure and sunken cost falacies are real. Many children's paths are set almost in stone from the moment they get their first Baby Einstein video or their 529 is set up in infancy; College and nothing else, irregardless of the price, the outcome, the return on capital, our retirement or theirs. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3356024)
I've flown with several captains whose kids competed for and earned hefty scholarships.
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Originally Posted by waldo135
(Post 3356019)
Let me guess…You don’t have college age kids. Most ‘help’ you reference is ‘needs based’ and guess what…most pilots are above the cut line. Ask me how I know.
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3356015)
I disagree that in-basers and commuters share enough desires that all rotations should serve all needs. I really like a 12-hour 2-day with an early sign in and late checkout, or some 8-hour 1-days that aren't commutable front or back. I imagine those stink for commuters?
Are there a lot of people bellyaching that there are overnights? I don't hear these complaints in the cockpit or on layovers. Seems like a straw man argument or a complaint against an anonymous internet poster or two....I think the complaint is a whole schedule of non-commutable trips, and the way the system strings them together, which can yield a bunch of otherwise UNNECESSARY nights away from home. But our current trips with fewer and fewer exceptions (thought there are some) suck for everyone. There will always be some early reports. There will always be some late releases. There will always be some trips with both. Its the prevalence of overlapping negative factors since the "optimizer" was given prime directive supremacy over rotation construction that is negatively impacting trips and QOL for more and more pilots more of the time. So much so that simply "living in base" (which sometimes means 2-3 hours, or more, on the road, each way...LOL!) isn't enough to get back to the pre-optimizer QOL *some* commuters (by air) used to enjoy not that long ago. There will always be trips with negative factors; that's the nature of the operation. There will always be: early reports, late releases, redeyes, flights and overnights on holidays, legs per day, plane changes, long "sits", mad dashes across 5 concourses to a flight that's already boarding, reroutes to save the operation, long overnights, short overnights, shifting circadian windows, etc. The problem isn't any one of those things, or even some of those things some of the time. Its the sheer prevalence of more and more of them in any given rotation that force multiply eachother over time. There's not enough PTC early risers to come close to 50%+1 on a TA that doesn't address significant rotation construction concerns. Not after the "running it a little hot" age of the Optimizer. Work rules will be a huge concern for C2019 IMO. |
Originally Posted by waldo135
(Post 3356029)
Again…I’m guessing you don’t have college age kids and are therefore speaking about something you only have second-hand knowledge of at best.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3356042)
So when someone says, "I'm really fortune that my kid got a x% scholarship" I should assume they are lying?
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God forbid kids go to community college for two years and then transfer to an in-state public school :rolleyes:
And yes, there most definitely are scholarship opportunities for kids, that don't have anything to do with the parents' income. Either way, this falls squarely into 'what other people do with their money,' and is not relevant to contract negotiations. If people want to pay obscene amounts of money for college or cars or art or drugs, that's none of my business. Why does this matter? |
Originally Posted by jaxsurf
(Post 3356044)
God forbid kids go to community college for two years and then transfer to an in-state public school :rolleyes:
And yes, there most definitely are scholarship opportunities for kids, that don't have anything to do with the parents' income. Either way, this falls squarely into 'what other people do with their money,' and is not relevant to contract negotiations. If people want to pay obscene amounts of money for college or cars or art or drugs, that's none of my business. Why does this matter? |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3355874)
As an atl73nb in 2021 I dropped nearly all my trips every month and picked up easy WS during the week and GS whenever I felt like it. For nearly all pilots aside from the very very junior there is a fleet and/or category somewhere in the system to go to maximize QOL. If a pilot is hell bent on QOL sacrifice the pay and bid 717B, 220B, Widebody B etc
Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk this is all before the first PCS run of the month |
Originally Posted by waldo135
(Post 3356019)
Let me guess…You don’t have college age kids. Most ‘help’ you reference is ‘needs based’ and guess what…most pilots are above the cut line. Ask me how I know.
Most states Air National Guard offers 60-100% Tuition reimbursement, plus GI BILL, kicker and signing bonuses. They don't discriminate based on what the parents make...just need to be able to run a mile 1.5 miles. If they don't go for aviation, they'll be making quite a bit of money every month to pay for rent/food. Even with aviation, it paid me enough to graduate with my degree and CFII with only a few thousand in debt. |
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