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DWC CAP10 USAF 03-16-2022 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3389548)
From what I've heard, fatigue calls are not even up much, if any.

LEC-66 FastRead released today said fatigue calls are up 242% when comparing Jan 2019 to Jan 2022

3 green 03-16-2022 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3389834)
LEC-66 FastRead released today said fatigue calls are up 242% when comparing Jan 2019 to Jan 2022

Wow., I had heard the opposite. Shows you cannot always believe what you hear. That's a huge increase.

Iceberg 03-16-2022 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3389832)
So what? If they don't want to come work here, they can go elsewhere. I don't say that to minimize the plight of the narrowbody crowd, quite the opposite... I think what the company is doing in terms of these trips plain sucks, and ALPA's non-response to it is reprehensible. But I don't GAF whether someone that isn't on the property decides to come here based on any of that. If they want to come here.. great. If they don't... good for them I hope they have a great life.

I will never forget the question in my interview from the retired guy. "Why should Delta get down on their knees and beg you to come work here?" My answer was that I had no idea.. but that I would work hard yada yada yada...

Summer is going to be interesting without a doubt.

I'm gonna leave you with one other thought. I know there are some that want something like a 6 hour duty day. Be careful what you ask for. Delta will get their pound of flesh if that were to come to fruition. Delta abhors credit time in rotations. The more they have to pay per day, the harder they are going to work at eliminating credit. Those schedules will go from being SWA-like to regional-like.

To jump on your comment about the duty day, I don’t want the ADG or MDG touched. I want the duty rig improved and I want to add a sit rig. If plane swaps cost them more money, that would be good too. I shouldn’t need a different aircraft for each flight.

captkdobbs 03-16-2022 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3390010)
To jump on your comment about the duty day, I don’t want the ADG or MDG touched. I want the duty rig improved and I want to add a sit rig. If plane swaps cost them more money, that would be good too. I shouldn’t need a different aircraft for each flight.

Amen to the plane swap charge. There's a BIG difference between a 1:00-1:15 turn with and without a plane swap. Without a plane swap you have a few minutes to take a breath, don't have to pack up and then rebuild your 'nest', possibly grab a bite to eat outside the plane, or even take a 5 minute stretch-walk that ISN'T a walk-around.

FangsF15 03-17-2022 02:12 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3389834)
LEC-66 FastRead released today said fatigue calls are up 242% when comparing Jan 2019 to Jan 2022

Holy ****.

EyesOn 03-17-2022 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3389832)
So what? If they don't want to come work here, they can go elsewhere. I don't say that to minimize the plight of the narrowbody crowd, quite the opposite... I think what the company is doing in terms of these trips plain sucks, and ALPA's non-response to it is reprehensible. But I don't GAF whether someone that isn't on the property decides to come here based on any of that.

The comments two pages pages ago referenced a recruiting problem for Delta. That’s the context of my comment. If DAL is basically the same as every other airline then recruiting becomes a problem. If you don’t care about that, that’s fine, but that was the context of comparing trips to other airlines.

crewdawg 03-17-2022 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by EyesOn (Post 3390043)
The comments two pages pages ago referenced a recruiting problem for Delta. That’s the context of my comment. If DAL is basically the same as every other airline then recruiting becomes a problem. If you don’t care about that, that’s fine, but that was the context of comparing trips to other airlines.


I don't think most people don't care, we all want our rotation construction addressed. However, I'd be shocked if it's more than a handful of applicants who are swayed by current rotation construction. I'd wager that 90%+ will go to the airline which allows them to live in base or live somewhere with an easy commute. Based on a few, highly qualified friends of mine that were given "call back in 6 months," I don't think we're hurting too bad on recruiting right now.

freezingflyboy 03-17-2022 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3389550)
Love when they ask me to extend

Wait. They ASK you to extend!? I keep getting auto-extended and then have to call THEM and tell them no bueno. THAT needs to stop.

Flownit 03-17-2022 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3390049)
Wait. They ASK you to extend!? I keep getting auto-extended and then have to call THEM and tell them no bueno. THAT needs to stop.

explain this better for everyone. They “ask” you to extend by acars and you have to confirm with a reply. No assumption of extension.

Rinaldi 03-17-2022 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Flownit (Post 3390054)
explain this better for everyone. They “ask” you to extend by acars and you have to confirm with a reply. No assumption of extension.

The expectation is absolutely that you will extend. As a group we need to stop extending. It should be a rare exception, not the norm.


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