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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
(Post 3392895)
I’m one of those people, I think. The thought of being a captain holds almost no appeal for me, outside of the (significant) pay raise. I’m very comfortable with the extra responsibility, but it’s not anything I yearn for. I think I just don’t view the captain position these days as one of true “command”. I acknowledge and respect people who view the left seat as something more than I do, I just view it differently I guess.
I’m really just here to make as much money as I can while working as few days as I can. I haven’t found a better career that’s accessible to me for the time/money, so here I remain :o |
Originally Posted by jaxsurf
(Post 3392895)
I’m one of those people, I think. The thought of being a captain holds almost no appeal for me, outside of the (significant) pay raise. I’m very comfortable with the extra responsibility, but it’s not anything I yearn for. I think I just don’t view the captain position these days as one of true “command”. I acknowledge and respect people who view the left seat as something more than I do, I just view it differently I guess.
I’m really just here to make as much money as I can while working as few days as I can. I haven’t found a better career that’s accessible to me for the time/money, so here I remain :o |
Just one guy's perspective on the Sr NB B to Jr NB B equation. Just to set the assumptions: in my case approx 25% NB B to 85% A, upgraded just less than a year ago, live in base, usually sit reserve. 6+ yrs with Delta. Kids grown and out now. QOL has always been the goal and to minimize the work to days off ratio. GS when they fall in my lap but don't chase them anymore. Work less, get paid more is my metric.
1. The trips I get assigned have pretty much sucked either seat over the past 3 yrs. /Neutral/ 2. I have worked about the same days per month against res guarantee either seat. /Neutral/ 3. More GS as an FO but at least one still falls in my lap most months as a Capt. As an FO I was more willing to say yes, as a Capt, I'm more comfortable saying no thanks due to Capt reserve guarantee. /Good QOL win as Capt, solid $$ bump/ So in summary, FOR ME, the Sr B to Jr A comparison is both an overall QOL and $$ win. I'm not arguing that my case should apply to everyone or even anyone else but I throw my experience out there for consideration. Also, I'm not one of those "commuting is a choice" trolls, but being fortunate enough to live in base and sitting reserve makes a difference that is difficult to overstate in this context. I would not have taken the upgrade had it required a commute. |
Originally Posted by MooseMuss
(Post 3393091)
Just one guy's perspective on the Sr NB B to Jr NB B equation. Just to set the assumptions: in my case approx 25% NB B to 85% A, upgraded just less than a year ago, live in base, usually sit reserve. 6+ yrs with Delta. Kids grown and out now. QOL has always been the goal and to minimize the work to days off ratio. GS when they fall in my lap but don't chase them anymore. Work less, get paid more is my metric.
1. The trips I get assigned have pretty much sucked either seat over the past 3 yrs. /Neutral/ 2. I have worked about the same days per month against res guarantee either seat. /Neutral/ 3. More GS as an FO but at least one still falls in my lap most months as a Capt. As an FO I was more willing to say yes, as a Capt, I'm more comfortable saying no thanks due to Capt reserve guarantee. /Good QOL win as Capt, solid $$ bump/ So in summary, FOR ME, the Sr B to Jr A comparison is both an overall QOL and $$ win. I'm not arguing that my case should apply to everyone or even anyone else but I throw my experience out there for consideration. Also, I'm not one of those "commuting is a choice" trolls, but being fortunate enough to live in base and sitting reserve makes a difference that is difficult to overstate in this context. I would not have taken the upgrade had it required a commute. Fast forward to present day in the post-optimizer and perpetually undermanned world, and I’m not sure that’s all true anymore. For someone without flexibility to improve efficiency via green slips, does in base Reserve really offer much qol anymore? Perhaps it does on WB but not NB? I’d be interested to hear some anecdotes of those navigating the in-base junior NB A reserves… |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3393124)
Historically, in base Reserve could be a pretty good gig. I’m close to the airport, so long call and short call look almost identical. Reserves might be on the hook for more days than a lineholder, but actually work/fly quite a bit less.
Fast forward to present day in the post-optimizer and perpetually undermanned world, and I’m not sure that’s all true anymore. For someone without flexibility to improve efficiency via green slips, does in base Reserve really offer much qol anymore? Perhaps it does on WB but not NB? I’d be interested to hear some anecdotes of those navigating the in-base junior NB A reserves… |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3393124)
Historically, in base Reserve could be a pretty good gig. I’m close to the airport, so long call and short call look almost identical. Reserves might be on the hook for more days than a lineholder, but actually work/fly quite a bit less.
Fast forward to present day in the post-optimizer and perpetually undermanned world, and I’m not sure that’s all true anymore. For someone without flexibility to improve efficiency via green slips, does in base Reserve really offer much qol anymore? Perhaps it does on WB but not NB? I’d be interested to hear some anecdotes of those navigating the in-base junior NB A reserves… I’ve flown 2 legs this month, both fly out DH back the following day (I would rather fly back than DH incidentally). CQ did allow me to conflict with quite a few reserve days, so I should mention that. 3 short calls, all unused - this would really start beating up a commuter. Most months able to get at least one GS, which adds pay and more importantly PB days, which introduces an element of choosing your trips (which ARCOS call to accept) vs being assigned on RES days. Strategic use of banked PB days when able improves QOL also but most roll to supp vacation days. I wouldn’t have taken the upgrade either as a commuter, but even in the worst month its been fine as a local. I think this is the key: flying mostly pieces of broken trips vs some of the hard charging regular rotations with short layovers/dayovers. 330B looks much more appealing than 737/320/220A if/when this ride ends, weighing QOL vs $. |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 3393162)
In base reserve 7ERA at 85%. Able to get weekends off, which is night & day vs weekend reserve.
I’ve flown 2 legs this month, both fly out DH back the following day (I would rather fly back than DH incidentally). CQ did allow me to conflict with quite a few reserve days, so I should mention that. 3 short calls, all unused - this would really start beating up a commuter. Most months able to get at least one GS, which adds pay and more importantly PB days, which introduces an element of choosing your trips (which ARCOS call to accept) vs being assigned on RES days. Strategic use of banked PB days when able improves QOL also but most roll to supp vacation days. I wouldn’t have taken the upgrade either as a commuter, but even in the worst month its been fine as a local. I think this is the key: flying mostly pieces of broken trips vs some of the hard charging regular rotations with short layovers/dayovers. 330B looks much more appealing than 737/320/220A if/when this ride ends, weighing QOL vs $. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3390807)
Management is however willing to pay more for pilots on larger aircraft. When I attended in Command the then CEO stated he would not mind paying a 777 CA 500 an hour because the airframe generated the revenue to support. He then qualified that by saying he can’t do that because we would then demand 400 an hour for a 737 CA and that was not supportable.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3390846)
We sure do like to think about things like this, but IMO it makes absolute zero difference in negotiations. We don't control the fleet plan or the markets served. Conflating the fleets of different airlines with negotiations and trying to establish a false contextual parity based on retroactive hypothetical airline choice decisions is peeing up a rope.
We got 99 contractual improvements we need to pursue and this ain't one. |
Originally Posted by StartngOvr
(Post 3392603)
This does seem to be true. I will say though it’s something I truly do not understand nor will I ever get my head around. If you never intend to command an aircraft why would you even enter the profession? I just don’t get it.
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