Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3394765)

Te precedent has been set long ago that companies get 3-5 years to drag things out at a minimum. Sometimes even more.

Originally Posted by hookshot123 (Post 3395000)

Good summary of why we will not have a contract for a long long time. As far as the mood between ALPA and the company I would add we now have a CEO who in my opinion despises the pilot group.

Originally Posted by Python1287 (Post 3395003)

Thats something I don’t understand. I am totally on board with a CEO not liking the pilot group, seeing them as a huge expense, underworked, and arrogant (not my view). These are totally expected thoughts that a CEO would have. However in this case, it seems like it is different. It appears to be a deep, personal, emotional hatred. Maybe my perception is off base. But if it’s right, I’m trying to figure out why.

Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3395021)

Probably because we're one of the few employee groups that don't worship the ground he walks on. IMO Ed thinks very highly of himself and those that also don't see him that was he dislikes.

Originally Posted by marcal (Post 3394739)

Its the opposite of the strategy of TA1. In that contract, they utilized the good will and folksy-ness of Richard to get everyone all hot and bothered with an early deal and then slid in a whole bunch of garbage hoping no one would realize it. This group torpedoed it and any real good will with it.

The mood between alpa and the company has been drastically worse in my opinion since the huge failure of TA1.


In any negotiation you need to ask, “what do both sides need”? We obviously need pay, QOL improvements, JV improvements, etc.

What does the company need? Nothing really as far as I can tell. The airplanes are moving, there are lines of RJ and LCC pilots out the door waiting to get in. If I’m management I’d be going through the motions as long as possible and waiting this out. No rush.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3395035)

I think we should get him a plaque to hang above his office door. Through this door walks… the greatest CEO/God.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3394771)

Well, in my experience thats something they bring up separately, away from us. We did get feedback pre-covid and they told us what they felt the company may be misunderstanding about the process. Also, the company wanted things to move faster which is why they brought in the mediator- the fact its reversed seems strange. The company would love to negotiate this right now, before we start making money quarter after quarter.

We took record losses last year. We are starting to make money (profit) now supposedly. There isnt a payraise coming unless we are making a healthy profit quarter after quarter. Im not sure what the rush is, but im not a negotiator. Fat profits=raises. Banging hands on the table does not equal pay raises. I would caution the union to have patience, stay consistent, and find areas we can make gains on the company undervalues.

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3394745)

Eh. More than that. The FAR 117 LOA that had continuous duty overnights raised the alarm for everyone. By the time TA 1 rolled around, everyone was tuned in and paying attention.