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Old 03-30-2022 | 08:09 PM
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My previous employer is offering me what they call "third tier" employment, which basically means I could fly for them once or twice every other month, or do admin duties on a pay-per-hour schedule.

Would this violate DAL policies?

For flying, how would this impact flying hour restrictions?

For admin work, are there restrictions on dual employment?

Thanks in advance for your input.
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Old 03-30-2022 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KnownTraveler
My previous employer is offering me what they call "third tier" employment, which basically means I could fly for them once or twice every other month, or do admin duties on a pay-per-hour schedule.

Would this violate DAL policies?

For flying, how would this impact flying hour restrictions?

For admin work, are there restrictions on dual employment?
FOM 3.1.7 answers most of your questions
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Old 03-30-2022 | 11:45 PM
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Apparently our schedules aren’t that bad if you have time to go flying outside of delta.
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Old 03-31-2022 | 03:54 AM
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It's not a bad idea to keep ties with your previous company especially when you are very junior (i.e. not much furlough fodder below you). As we're all painfully aware, the economy can take a sudden turn at any time. You might be able to slide right back into a full time position if that happened.

Just make sure you follow all of Delta's rules to the letter and you'll have a nice back-up and a little extra $.

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Apparently our schedules aren’t that bad if you have time to go flying outside of delta.
I'm guessing the OP doesn't work at Delta yet.
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Old 03-31-2022 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by crzepilot
Apparently our schedules aren’t that bad if you have time to go flying outside of delta.
If the schedules were that great, the pilot may not choose to find flying outside of D.
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Old 03-31-2022 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by KnownTraveler
Thanks in advance for your input.
My opinion would be a hard NO in almost every case.

When you jump into another form of paid flying, you're outside of the ALPA/ASAP umbrella and your ticket is at risk. How lucrative can that side gig possibly be? Is it worth even a 0.01% chance of endangering a multi-multi million dollar career?

What someone else said about keeping ties if junior isn't a bad idea. But IMO I wouldn't try a side gig to do it.

As for money, will that job pay a lot more than a WS or GS over the same timeframe? Seems highly unlikely even from the money POV.
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Old 03-31-2022 | 12:13 PM
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Outside civilian flight hours count against your FAR limits, so it's unlikely Delta would approve. Your best avenue for extra flying income is picking up a WS/GS as previously mentioned. The admin only portion would be the only realistic option. IMHO your best side hustle would be a non flying income source. My personal favorite is real estate investing, which comes in many flavors ranging from very active to completely passive.
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Old 03-31-2022 | 05:23 PM
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I say go for it. 135 is starving for pilots and a friend of mine manages hawkers out of SNA. He cleared 498k last year.

Can always file a NASA report if it's bad.
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Old 03-31-2022 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
I say go for it. 135 is starving for pilots and a friend of mine manages hawkers out of SNA. He cleared 498k last year.

Can always file a NASA report if it's bad.
He couldn't make another 2k?
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Old 04-03-2022 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KnownTraveler
My previous employer is offering me what they call "third tier" employment, which basically means I could fly for them once or twice every other month, or do admin duties on a pay-per-hour schedule..
It’s very small amount of flying, I would absolutely jump on it for variety of scenery, if nothing else.

Philosophically speaking breaking up the routine is very good, if not essential for mental health. Get a hobby most would say and I agree, but if you are an airplane nerd and enjoy aviation – why not spice it up?

Flying a GS/WS sounds easy, but it only increases the time amount of routine - same drive, same operation and aircraft, and same burned out (complaining how hot the operation is) dude to fly with.

Don’t overdo it, however. The comment on asap/ALPA protection of your ticket was spot on.
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