Correct. Imaginary until you or someone here is sitting in one.

Of course.

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Just like the parking of the 777 was imaginary.

These are separate issues. PS may very, very thinly correlate with WB outsourcing but it cannot and will not ever come close to making up for Scope shortcomings.

I don't know why so many among us continue to parrot this false equivalence.

It's not a false equivalence. It's pointing out that it aligns our compensation with managements expansion of the corporation and profit motive. In this they are working for us instead of against us.

Ugh. Bruh.

You really don't think our Scope shortcomings, let alone any potential further degradation, will ever be recovered in the portion of those prorated profits that end up in our Valentine's Day checks do you?

If you really believe that, you should be demanding Scope concessions. The more we give up, the more we'll make!

No, but my 30-50K checks have paid me more than the A330 or A350 ever did or will. Management has made a choice on the direction of the business and the plan going forward. You , I, and ALPA have NO control over the 1,3,5,10 year business plan. I prefer having a piece of that. It's about so much more, Subsidiarity profits, AMEX, Delta vacations, Monroe energy etc.

Seems absurd to be saying this right now when we will most likely be coming up on year 3 of exactly $0 of bonus money. The added seniority and QOL would easily make up the difference for most people if we just had scope favorable to our pilots. So if the 10 year business plan included abandoning all International flying and growing regional flying so we shrink to 8,000 pilots you support that if if grows a potential bonus by 10%? You really have no control over that, so we should just resign to our fate? We are own worst enemy. I really hope you are in the minority and hopefully it is a very small minority.

The relatively short track record with PS payouts does not stand as justification of our Scope or QOL shortcomings. Not only can we go years without any significant PS, but massive code share abuses and trashed domestic pairings aren't the "secret sauce" to our PS payments even when they're at their peak.

Some also attempt to defend the QOL smashing Optimizer (that force multiplies our redundant fleets and excessive BES's to save credit and hotel costs on spreadsheets) because we've become so emotionally addicted to large PS checks that we conflate all our QOL and Scope shortcomings with it in its entirety. We're profitable, PS checks are good, ergo everything bad is justifiable because without it we'd have no PS checks.

Even if that were true (and its not even close to being the case) I'd still prefer significant QOL and Scope gains to the entire PS check. For the reading comprehension impaired, I am not in favor of any reductions in the PS in the PWA. But I prioritize Scope and QOL gains even if that means a reduction in what ends up in the PS checks.

Literally being in the business of selling our jobs to the lowest bidders in an attempt to loss harvest that back with our share of the profits that generates is asinine.

You just don’t get it. I’m saying we must absolutely keep what we have and not sell any of it. SCOPE needs to be recovered not sold. PROFIT SHARING must remain untouched because it is a percentage multiplier. QOL must improve. And a bridge agreement with annual increases must happen. Nobody is saying give. The company has been very profitable under the current PWA constraints and normal competitive situations. This industry always suffers when the black swan arrives but our management has been positioning the corporation to be even more successful into the recovery. We are already proving we lead the pack.