Agreed. I’m 100% in favor of fully monetizing that in our favor. I could (couldn’t?) care less about the little keyboard empire “good deal” scammers who auto accept every trip in the system with no intention to ever do, then act victimized when the chaos of the moment passes them up for something they never would have done anyway.

No one is advocating to just give that back for free. It’s a massive cost item. IMO we should harvest that cost for the benefit of the entire group. If we don’t, we will have to carry that cost on our side of the ledger for the entire pilot group so a tiny number of us can get paid for nothing on a technicality.

We shouldn’t give it away for free. We should all benefit from selling it.

 

Holy cow. You said the quiet part out loud.

Be prepared for getting lashed with a wet noodle for incorrect thinking.

 

I think for the masses, that was the rub wrt batch sizes. It wasn’t that we gave that back, it’s that we got absolutely nothing of value for it. We traded a bitcoin for a literal shiny penny.

 

Yup and many got lashed for saying that at the time.

 

We can agree to any set of rules we decide. We have 2 time frame ladders now. The ladders themselves are rules. Enforcing any of the rules is where the rubber meets the road. Changing from one set of rules to another only complicates things and erases precedent. COMPLIANCE is the issue not the rules.

So many of us just want GSs to be handled like they were. If you got a call it was yours. Auto-accept does that. I do a blanket green slip and always have. The company wanted automation and the deal included auto accept. Let's all just take a step back and see what the company's proposal is to fix their problem. None of this would be an issue if they had adequate automation designed around their needs instead of Icrew and an emergency lineman call out app. (yes, literally electric and phone lines down due to a natural disaster and a rotating call out app ARCOS was used to keep from pulling the same linemen regularly) The combination of an old scheduling system and a band aided app and call system from NOT the airline industry are not working harmoniously together. How is this an issue for ALPA at all? Deal makers have been around as long as I've been here an probably longer. That is an internal pro stans issue and will never go away. SS are an issue because they were not well thought out and diminish GS value for RES and GS opportunity for all (RES and REG) If there is no auto accept people will find a way to screen their GSs and the system will not improve... unless and until the COMPANY invests in a fix that is acceptable and compliant.

 

FIxing 23M7 is NOT THE ANSWER. Fixing the trip coverage process is. Trip coverage worked fine for 97 years of our history. We need to focus on how to get back to that, not fixing the process that allows the company to completely disregard it.

Focusing on the penalty is acknowledging and normalizing the presently broken trip coverage process. This is what ALPA needs to figure out with the company.

 

I'm all ears if you can find a solution but this is brought on by choices the company is making like batch sizes, how/when to run coverage, and skipping steps. That is NOT our problem to fix. IMHO And even if we do agree to a fix we are setting a precedent of accommodation. That surely won't back fire when we are presented with the next "problem." They need to own the consequences of their decisions.

 

So we've got votes to fix 23M7, and we've got votes to fix trip coverage. But to pull the truck out, you have to back the tractor even further back into the ditch.

The question people should be asking is why is there so much open time. If there was just a regular amount of open time, none of the rest of the stuff matters.

 

It’s almost as if it’s normally slow this time of year, and yet here we are with GSs going out daily and scheduling running afoul of the coverage award ladder just to desperately cover flying… It’s almost as if we need more pilots.

 

I enjoy the premium flying. Fly 70 hours of credit, then easy 2 leg 2 day GS for 90 plus hours. That’s my monthly formula especially in the slow months.