Originally Posted by fadecfault (Post 3689668)

It's not "why you're wrong" but rather "what's the nuance?"

If we consider that even a perfect slide evacuation presents a threat to passenger safety (broken/sprained limbs, heart attacks/anxiety, additional ground hazards), we should always mentally weigh the decision to evacuate against a decision to wait, with the goal of choosing the safest path. Even if we invest just 2 seconds of consideration, it could pay dividends in harm reduction.

If ATC says "fire" without elaboration, how do we know which exits to use? How do we know where to rally the pax? Fortunately in this incident, the crew (presumably) had additional context from the brake temp/MLG loop systems that informed their decision, (despite contradictory reports from Tower), but that's a luxury, not a given.

I don't think any of us can seriously fault the crew here, but it's also possible to imagine an even better outcome (bump it from an A to A+) if they had expanded the team to include ARFF command before blowing the slides.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3689671)

Wrong answer

Originally Posted by fadecfault (Post 3689675)

If you didn't actually want a thoughtful discussion, why bother even posing the question?

Again, nobody with any credibility will seriously criticize the crew on this one. But every situation presents opportunities to reflect and strengthen our thought processes.

Originally Posted by fadecfault (Post 3689675)

If you didn't actually want a thoughtful discussion, why bother even posing the question?

Again, nobody with any credibility will seriously criticize the crew on this one. But every situation presents opportunities to reflect and strengthen our thought processes.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3689678)

I know you and trip are wrong. That's it. I stated it and you didn't like it. Fine. Tell me why you will wait 3 minutes when you have a fire indication and then wait for a second opinion.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3689711)

ARFF would approach the aircraft and put the fire out.

Just like this similar incident in ATL. The pilots did not panic and blow the slides. They waited for ARFF, fire got put out, aircraft towed to gate.

Just to clarify, this discussion is solely about a simple brake fire and not the 757 incident in ATL

https://youtu.be/MKfw2WiquU8?si=cFNgvcCtzmCsVSjh

Originally Posted by blue vortex (Post 3689717)

I agree with Trip on this one generally no need to evacuate for a wheel fire. They used to show us every year at CQ one of our 767‘s in Salt Lake City (1996) that had a magnesium fuel control fire in an engine. Everybody stayed on board the airplane, which was the safest thing to do because the fire was near the exits…ARFF came in about a minute or two and extinguished the fire. Nobody was injured in evacuation, and nobody was potentially exposed to smoke or fire outside the aircraft. The takeaway/teaching objective was that if ARFF is on the scene, let them help you make the call.

Here’s the SPECTACULAR video (although poor quality)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OetGcnfV0NM

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3689725)

read the comment

The tower says your on fire. What you do next should be thought out well before it happens. In this incident the fire crew repeatedly tells them not to evacuate while not having the fire under control. The incident resulted in a favorable outcome but was a lesson in what not to do. The "little fire" could have easily ignited the wings and fuel with a magnesium fire and hot metal parts departing the engine. Do you evacuate a building when you see it on fire?

Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3689729)

So to clarify, you are correct and no one else has any legitimate thoughts, concerns, examples, etc? Ask for thoughts, shoot them down immediately? Got it. Good talk.

You bailing out when tower says you’re on fire and you have a hot jet pipe?

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3689734)

How do you know it's a jet pipe? All you know is you have been told your aircraft is on fire.

Yes, you clarified that very well. And again, I asked why I'm wrong... crickets.