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Originally Posted by demon llama
(Post 3850783)
I return to the fact that we have a 276 page document to explain just one section of our work rules/contract.
Learning this stuff takes time. I appreciate teaching about fishing but to assume that someone asking a question on social media is just a slacker isn’t a fair assumption. Reserve back then was easy. They explained the entire reserve system in 1 minutes. "You are on call 19 days a month. If on call be phone or pager contactable at all times and able to report in 2 hours". The scheduling section of the current contract is larger than the entire 1986 contract! |
Originally Posted by DryClutch
(Post 3850834)
To be fair, I bet at some point you have asked a question to someone that was easily searchable in some document. I do it. I'll text a buddy about something I could probably go dig around in the SRH for. I'm not referencing the person who is at the extreme and refuses to help themselves in any way, thats different. I just think people shouldn't be shamed because they came on here or elsewhere to ask a question that maybe someone else found easily. I don't know about you but sometimes my Aerodoc's searches are not terribly fruitful.
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Another great learning tool, long before the internet ruined everything, was being a flight engineer for a few years! You got to listen to both the FO and Captain explain how to work the system to your advantage! I used to carry a copy of the contract in my flight kit and I spent many hours on the panel reading and highlighting the important stuff, usually pointed out to me by the other 2 guys. We didn't have"NH Mentors" then, but we did have friends.
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
(Post 3850828)
Well what did they tell the LOSA observers?
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Originally Posted by ShegotheD
(Post 3850837)
I wasn't shaming anyone at all. My point was that most questions could be answered with a simple search on the SRH or even one of the many Facebook groups. Searching for the answer takes just as long as posting the question. The difference, in my opinion, is the drive to learn. "I don't have to look for it; someone will answer me (this someone put the time and energy into educating themselves)... Now, back to my scrolling of Facebook or Instagram..... Oh, preflight checklist".
By asking questions and not getting a reference or reading it for yourself, you are doing yourself a disservice. How many times have you fact-checked said information someone passed along? Did you go and read the language to make sure the answer you got was correct? Unless you check the answer you are getting from your "Friend" or Line captain, you could also be spreading misinformation. I agree that our manuals are not the easiest to navigate, but they can only get better with group interaction and feedback. Aerodocs is on the way out, and the new app we have coming "should" be easier to navigate and search. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 3850880)
My fact checking often leads to alternative facts. :( The hive distills the answer. And it puts it out in the universe to be found by others with the same question. Yes, read the source document but help finding the answer is always welcome. The poster who provides the answer wouldn't share it if they felt thier efforts were being taken advantage of. They are the hero and should be thanked for thier assistance. I doubt they feel victimized by being helpful. Pride maybe, but that's a bad emotion too.
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Originally Posted by ShegotheD
(Post 3850890)
I believe that most people who provide answers genuinely enjoy doing so; otherwise, they wouldn’t participate. My main point in the original post was simply to highlight how some individuals feel helpless and are unwilling to put in any effort. I tell NHs that I fly with, I am happy to help, but I expect them to at least try to find answers on their own. If they don’t, I feel as though I’m doing them a disservice. They represent the future of this airline, and eventually, experienced folks will leave. If the new generation isn’t able to fend for themselves, then who will?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3850846)
I would have to say understanding the contract is vastly more difficult now than 30 years ago. Most learn how things work the hard way. Thats how I learned the simple, intuitive and easy to use PBS system. I still remember asking my first PBS question. The answer was something like if I had just looked at the PBS manual page 57, paragraph 5, sub paragraph 2B and correlate that information to page 46 paragraph 4 sub paragraph 3C it will all be clear!
Reserve back then was easy. They explained the entire reserve system in 1 minutes. "You are on call 19 days a month. If on call be phone or pager contactable at all times and able to report in 2 hours". The scheduling section of the current contract is larger than the entire 1986 contract! |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3850851)
Someone just asked today if holiday pay was double pay for the whole day.
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
(Post 3850770)
Do mentors not get paid anything for this? If not, why would anyone do this job?
Why do they do it? At least for me, it was because I was once frigging clueless (well, I still am...), and got a TON of help from bros and smart captains who invested their time in me. Now that I have learned a thing or two, I wanted to give back/pay it forward. |
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