https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/n...er-strike.html

It's happened before. The only reason the chances of Delta pilots going to jail is zero is because the chances of the NMB releasing Delta pilots from negotiations is also zero.

Btw: A company could receive an emergency injunction in a matter of hours.

"If labor does not respond promptly to an injunction, the carrier's only legal recourse is to seek contempt penalties from the court...Contempt penalties may be in the form of compensatory fines for the plaintiff carrier, criminal fines, or incarceration to vindicate the authority of the court." - Hastings Law Journal

I'm not familiar with a case where 14000 pilots violated a federal injunction so it's kind of difficult to find a case where 14000 pilots were arrested if 14000 pilots have never violated a federal injunction.

I fully understand it. I am explaining why all this talk about never being released even if Alaska is makes no sense. We may be big, but we don't shut the country down if we stop flying. Alaska is one of the only ways into and out of some places q
and a significant source of supplies to areas that you can't drive to. There is much more reason to stop a strike by them than us.

Some of You guys are missing the bigger picture. This will make it MUCH harder for AS to get NHs onboard, not to mention ALPA reps will probably help, especially FOs get their apps out elsewhere combined w preferential interviews at legacies.

Plentyyyy of leverage without actually needing to strike. Doubly so in this unprecedented hiring environment.

What he said above. It's not necessarily about going on strike as it is messaging to the public. If the public thinks there is a chance of a strike (they don't understand RLA), they'll think twice about booking on Alaska...that alone generates leverage.

I think the Atlas union was helping guys with apps to other carriers during the lengthy negotiations there. At this point in time, pilots are critical resources for the growth and sustainment plans for any airline. Alaska is in big trouble if they can’t retain their people.

How far apart are labor and management at Alaska?

Post consolidation, this tactic has only been effective in a limited number of circumstances. It has to be the end game in mediation, usually after several years of working with the NMB. For this to work, the mediator must feel confident that the pilot union is more committed to reaching an agreement than their counterparts on the management side. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, it’s my understanding that the two parties have only been in mediation since January, which looks like a fairly heavy rhetorical lift.

The Alaska pilots are lagging the industry in compensation, and earn about $19 less per hour than pilots at Delta.





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For this reason alone, there needs to be a "statement" from ALPA/DALPA that we can refer the customers to. I can't imagine 14k different responses would do anything to further our case.

We operate roughly 20% of domestic flights. If we stop flying it would cripple interstate commerce which is why the RLA was created in the first place. A few small communities losing air service due to a strike doesn't cripple interstate commerce. Sure, it negatively impacts those small communities but the RLA and NMB don't look at that. They look at the overall picture. If what you are saying was true then no regional airline would ever be allowed to go on strike and obviously we all know that's not the case.

I think you are missing the point. There are people who very well could starve if Alaska stopped flying there. I am pretty sure the RLA would be concerned about that.

You do know who DALFA works for and their marching orders don’t you. Better to engage in radio silence, like arguing with a door knob. Let him do his assignment….

Where does Alaska fly that other airlines and trucks don't go?

DALFA is a flight attendant. Why is it when you guys don't like something that someone is saying, you go right to "he's a management messenger looking to BRING US DOWN MAN!"

Do you know DALFA? Thinking that zoomie education could have used a course in business ethics.

No. But he's admitted to being a FA dozens of times. Why do you think his name is DALFA?

lol, then it must be true…..like having a shill pilot on here being compensated to post on social
media has never happened. Needs some names?

He's been posting on here for years as a Flight Attendant. That's quite a commitment to be doing this for years JUST so he can gaslight everyone once a decade.

Hes been commenting on the various contracts for years, highly don’t he’s a FA. Seems to get more worked up and posts more
closer we get to an agreement. Pretty obvious if one takes a wide view….all his NMB and PEN info from someone never involved or a member of a union…..umm

Pretty sure he was driving to get a union at Delta. You'd think someone who was doing that might want to read up on the RLA and talk to other union properties.

if he’s coming in here to help start a union, come on…ALPA at delta, at least previously, is hardly the advisors one would want

Elon Musk exposed that at least 5% of all Twitter users are AI bots programmed with far-left ideology, they have not released evidence it is only 5%. About a decade ago Delta hired one of the lead executives away from Ford and Harrison, the number 1 union busting law firm in the country. The Delta MEC also shut down the ALPA web boards, which was a place pilots can discuss items under union shop. If one comes onto APC thinking management doesn't have a team of at least a dozen user accounts, working most hours around the clock, to control the message then they are delusional. Hopefully management is smart enough to pick up on the fact they are burning out pilots, SLI's and LCA that were once strong advocates. My problem with this place is that you never really know who you are talking to.

Lastly, the United States is a highly polarized powder keg. That last thing any politician has the guts to do is sound out the brown shirts to arrest 14,000 pilots, that might be a step that takes it too far.

The claim was that less than 5% were bots and that claim was by Twitter. Elon Musk is a loudmouth clown on social media.

Republic spent 8 years in negotiations and wasn't allowed to strike. Alliegent wasn't allowed to either. Both has only around 20% of the pilots DAL has. And all this happened under supposedly the "pro worker" Obama administration.

The NMB's entire job is to keep us from striking and they will never allow it unless Delta does something so egregious that don't have a choice. And Delta isn't that stupid

Point of order. Allegiant tried to do an illegal strike, without being released by the NMB, and we were slapped with an injunction before anyone could even act on it. Also allegiant has a hair over 1000 pilots now. It was about 500 when that happened if I recall correctly.

That's the correct answer, the things we would want to strike over, we'll never get released over. The only way a strike happens is if our wages are below market value for a very long time, e.g. Spirit.

Barrow, Bethel, Cordova, and Yakutat come to mind. If it’s winter time I believe you could include a few airports in SE AK. Delta flies to some of them but only in the summer. There are some 135’s flying around but no other 121’s.

Getting around as a passenger would be a little difficult if Alaska were to go on strike but I imagine Horizon would be subbed in fairly quickly. Alaska is already trying to move all the intra Alaska flying to them anyways. There are other true regional airlines that would likely start temp service if it was needed.

Nobody would starve as multiple cargo carriers operate in the state and regularly haul food and mail to everywhere Alaska flies.

You caught me. Fourteen years of posting on APC and advocating for a union for flight attendants when all along i've been a management plant. Makes total sense.

So arresting them makes them get back to work how?

The point of arresting someone for being in contempt of court is to send a message to others who may also choose to disregard a court order. It's a punitive and dissuasive action.

Also, richest man in the world. Self made.

Tesla has no advertising budget, either.

Used to think he was a clown myself. Then I saw a few SpaceX launches.

He's PT Barnum and Thomas Edison rolled into one.

Yep. Genius. Doing more for the environment than any politician that’s for sure.

The left hates him now, because he is reasonable and spits facts.

He’s a moderate dem that’s going Republican over what’s happening. So the lefts way of lashing out is 🤡 emojis.

Musk hasn’t changed. The D party has. They despise him because he didn’t follow them down the woke rabbit hole.

I can tell you for an absolute fact management has people lurking these boards, at a minimum. And they will go to great lengths to sleuth who you are. Be warned.

Im shocked CBreezy thinks this about Elon Musk. Shocked I say.

Musk may be really wealthy and really smart but he is most definitely not self made. Mommy and daddy had a lot of money.

The RLA was created because a given railroad could be the only reasonable transportation for a large number of communities at the time. And while it could have an impact, it would not cripple commerce.

Uhhh, dude…. Ever hear of PayPal? SpaceX? Tesla? Neural Link? Others?

He didn’t inherit his billions. Me made them out of thin air, in vastly different industries. You can maybe throw shade at him for several things, but he is absolutely a self made man.

Really CBreez please explain?? Sounds like you might have been watching The View a little too much??

Yep. The Overton Window has moved leftward at light speed.

It has expanded dramatically in both directions and the inability to recognize that shows your narrow-minded news and SM diet.