Alaska Strike Vote
 

Yes, I know they aren’t even close to being able to actually go on strike, but 96% of pilots voted with 99% in favor.

That right there sends a message and shows unity.

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Alaska pilots have a lot more leverage than Delta pilots when it comes to the negotiating process and the chance of being released into a cooling off period and an eventual strike. Not because Alaska pilots are smarter or more united, but because the NMB would allow Alaska pilots to strike whereas they would NOT allow Delta pilots to strike.

I'm all about metering expectations but this is absolutely not true

Alaska still doing baseball style arbitration?

what isn’t true? The thought process that the NMB is more likely to allow Alaska into self help than Delta? I don’t think either will get released, but Alaska going on strike definitely has less effect on the US economy.

It's untrue that Delta pilots would never be released.

It absolutely is. Ask any labor lawyer familiar with the RLA and see what they say.

Basically...

Under the right circumstances, and the correct political makeup of the NMB based on the political makeup of the Executive Office, we absolutely could get a release. It would likely be squashed immediately by a PEB, but it would still be a release.

Their management requested a meeting with the union immediately after the results were released


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I honestly doubt AS would be released to strike. Even if so, I could see the PEB stepping in and stopping it.

No. There will be no arbitrated result this time. Part of the NMB process will require (some day) for the NMB to proffer arbitration. Either side can turn it down. There will be no arbitration.

So you're saying 20% of this country's flying would be allowed to stop flying? I have my doubts.

I'm not saying we should expect to walk the like for months. I don't think it's unreasonable to think there is a chance, even if miniscule, for a strike. It's much more likely we will be ordered back to work under the PEB.

It would take at least a couple more years for the NMB to allow Alaska to go on strike with a 50/50 chance at the President blocking it. But they do have a realistic shot at it.

With Delta, the chance is so miniscule that it isn't a reasonable chance. Management knows this and so does ALPA.

In 2005 or 2006 the NYC MTA went on strike illegally. Just because you are not given permission doesn't mean you can't do it. It just takes a leader that is willing to be a martyr.

When you think about it…

Say AS gets to the point of actually being released to strike, then it’s stopped by PEB.

What if the pilots don’t return to work? What are they going to do? Fire the entire pilot group?

This isn’t ATC controllers from the 80s. If AS fired their entire pilot group for striking, you might as well close up shop, because your airline isn’t going to survive. (Minus a bailout…which isn’t too far out of the question anymore post COVID)

Either way, it will never come to this. In the age of social media and instant access to information, AS will want to get this behind them very quickly. Even though we know they can’t strike…the general public does not. All they are seeing is “Alaska Pilots Vote to Strike”. That’s enough for the Smith family to pick a different airline for their vacation, “just in case”.

We're in the land of "IF" but if it were to happen then those pilots could actually be arrested and yes the airline would be shut down until pilots returned to work.

No real progress can be made in the amount of power each side has until the RLA is amended and a real threat of a strike is put back on the table. Not after 4-5 years of negotiations but after 6-9 months.

Alaska does a lot of essential air service style flying, Delta is more likely to be released than they are because every market we go, someone else does too.

Guys keep bringing up a PEB or should I say "PEB! PEB! PEB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I thought that only triggers an additional 30 day cooling off period? Who has the 411 on what a PEB can and cannot do?

Scoop :confused:

The amount of EAS flying has absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't think you understand the NMB process.

"The President may create a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) to investigate and report on a dispute over the terms of a Collective Bargaining Agreement. Under the Railway Labor Act, the President may exercise his discretion to create an emergency board when the labor dispute threatens “substantially to interrupt interstate commerce to a degree such as to deprive any section of the country of essential transportation service.” Creation of a PEB delays a strike, lockout or other form of self-help, generally for 60 days. The PEB has 30 days to issue its report. Generally, PEBs provide recommendations for settlement of the dispute. After the PEB reports to the President, the parties to the dispute have another 30-day cooling off period to consider the recommendations of the PEB and to reach an agreement. If either party rejects the PEB recommendations, the parties may engage in Self-Help at the end of this last 30-day Cooling-Off Period, including strikes, lockouts and unilateral changes in terms and conditions of employment. Finally, Congress may also intervene and mandate an Agreement legislatively, ordering the parties to adopt the findings of the PEB."

Strike votes really don’t mean much. It’s more of a let’s prove how mad we are. But that’s about it.

well, it proves 99% of them are mad

It gives the negotiators ammunition that the members are behind them. 96 percent participation is an excellent show of support. Hope it moves the needle for them.

Please, my QOL would probably go up.

LMFAO.

I’m pretty sure you’re not getting arrested if you don’t answer the phone…it’s just an IA.

My post is a response to what would happen if pilots went on strike even after they were ordered back to work by the govt. Nothing to do with an IA.

Ill bet Alaska gets released. This all seems really similar to the Spirit strike.

Disagree. News agencies love this stuff and dramatize it effectively which in turn affects bookings. The avg joe public traveler does not know the intricacies of the RLA or a PEB. They hear strike and book away from an airline not wanting to gamble the annual family vacation

i know.

just outta curiosity…what’s the charge? Failure to work for a publicly traded company?

…and at what point am I allowed to quit?

Failure to work on your days off…

Following a strike vote at my regional airline with similar results, we were not released to strike. And we were about 1/4 the size of Alaska. It’s not about actually striking. It’s about sending a message, and the public perception of booking tickets on Alaska when there’s no pilots to fly.

Spirit did it, and it was successful. After spirit we were not released to strike at my last shop.

If employees engage in illegal work action, a carrier may seek injunctive relief with a federal court. The court can then issue and injunction against the illegal work action. Failure to comply with such an injunction can result in parties and individuals being found in contempt of court.

Again…this right here is the point. The layman has no idea what the RLA is.

cool.

then I quit

it’s a dumb argument.

I cannot be forced to work for Delta, period.

It's not a dumb argument. It's caselaw. You asked a question and I answered it.

Yes, you can quit your employment whenever you want...that's your choice.

I’m not familiar with the case where 14000 pilots are arrested for violating a federal injunction…I’ll dig deeper.

I’m now scared straight…I just ordered a backup hat to make sure I don’t run afoul of Delta and go to jail.

You probably aren't going to get arrested but the Court can award significant fines for violating its order(s). The American Airlines pilots/APA got handed a $46M fine for violating a judge's order by continuing to bang in sick.

agreed and familiar.

You could also be fired.

Your chances of going to jail - zero.

If we want to speak in reality, by the time an injunction was issued…the damage would already be done with no winners.

Tonight as pax were deplaning one of them asked us if Alaska was going on strike, so the general public at least has some sense that Alaska could be a risky bet.