I have been at this airline since before contract 2000. We have never negotiated for an inflationary raise plus a small real raise, short duration. We have always been in the mode of fighting for past years and failures. You know “restoring the profession” and all of that. So you’re simply wrong if you think this has been tried. We always try to fight for lost battles and it shows. We’re not alone. The rest of the industry has done even more poorly than we have.

We lost this battle. You may think differently and that’s ok. One of us is wrong and will be surprised by the outcome. If it ends up being you, I hope you will reconsider the argument for small raises over short duration in the future. But, if you do, don’t be surprised again when someone says that won’t work because we need to “made whole
” for past failures.

 

I honestly don’t see the company jumping on these small raises for short durations. And guess what happens when they don’t? They win big because they draw things out just as much and then when we get between what we asked for and the company’s concessionary ask it is even less and still 3-4 years late.

 

Well the company jumped on it for every contract since 2007 until we showed up asking for 3 billion in improvements. The company doesn’t care what they pay is. They care what they pay us relative to the competition. That is why you have to keep the raises rolling and drag the others up with you.

 

Well how is this any worse than where we are now? We should try it instead of saying it will never work. The problem is that it requires pilots to forget about the past and focus on now and the future. That is something that appears to be impossible.

 

The company has no incentive to move contract negotiations. At all:

- Endless supply of applicants
- Record acceptance of greenies
- Substantial profit considering the climate
- Govt backing

Until the government forces the company to get something accomplished, why budge?

Only a deep recession will motivate the company… to offer us a long term concessionary contract.

Hate to be Denny Downer, but it’s reality..

Edit: maybe we get actual FOM hat relief. Only worn with the jacket? The company may just do that as a jab, then eventually offer an “industry leading” contract, with the stipulation that we put our hats back on. For the right “price,” they incentivize us to vote to wear hats. Wouldn’t that be something?

 

TA1

filler...

 

You must be getting short then, that explains a lot. Explain to me how this works out in your mind. Short timers always have this great idea.

 

NWA 1998: Amendable Oct 96 / Ratified Sept 98

DL C2K: Amendable May 2000 / Ratified June 2001 (made it to 30 day cooling off period, TA reached in super mediation)

NW 2002: Amendable Sept 2002 / Ratified Sept 2003

NW 2004 Bridge: Amenable Sept 2003 / Ratified Oct 2004

DL LOA #46: Amendable April 2005 / Ratified Nov 2004 (32.5% pay cut and increased number of 70 seat RJ's)

NW 2006: Amendable Dec 2006 / Ratified Mar 2006 (24% pay cut and introduced 50 seat RJ's)

DL LOA #56: Amendable Dec 2009 / Ratified May 2006 (14% pay cut and RJ seats from 70-76)

DL C2012: Amendable Dec 2012 / Ratified June 2012

CL C2015: Amendable Dec 2015 / Ratified Dec 2016 (I think we all know how TA-1 went)


So with the exception of C2012, the only contracts that were done on/before the amendable date were concessionary.

Anyone who thinks negotiating a 2 year deal like UA or AA means we will be right back at the table and actually have another new contract on time two years later needs their skull examined!

 

C2012 the SJS deal 717s for bigger RJs, that was concessionary IMHO.

Here's a refresher about what was happening then and what Ed was up to. #virtualmerger

GOL https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-gol#xj4y7vzkg
Virgin Atlantic https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-g...85302C20120604
AeroMexico https://money.cnn.com/2012/12/11/new...nes/index.html
Trainer https://news.delta.com/delta-subsidi...finery-complex

 

“endless supply of applicants”


as people with no PIC, degree, nor extra resume points get hired regularly