TA: GVUL
#153
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These are relatively easy to construct in Excel. Here is a simple model. There are also several online already built.
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#154
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GVUL with no additional investment in the policy is my plan. I'll take the tax savings from lower imputed income and move on.
WRT Infinite Banking, I've modeled a few whole life policies from IBC mutual life companies against a 20yr term with the difference invested in an S&P ETF taxable brokerage margin account. Even with LTCG paid on qualified dividends from the ETF, the brokerage/margin option comes out ahead for total value. The one area where WL comes out ahead is higher available loan proceeds in the early years. This is because I put a cap on the margin loan to allow for a safety margin in a down market. There are pros and cons to each approach depending on the individual and I may revisit the IBC concept next year.
WRT Infinite Banking, I've modeled a few whole life policies from IBC mutual life companies against a 20yr term with the difference invested in an S&P ETF taxable brokerage margin account. Even with LTCG paid on qualified dividends from the ETF, the brokerage/margin option comes out ahead for total value. The one area where WL comes out ahead is higher available loan proceeds in the early years. This is because I put a cap on the margin loan to allow for a safety margin in a down market. There are pros and cons to each approach depending on the individual and I may revisit the IBC concept next year.
#155
I like the IBC concept. I agree the GVUL and IBC are miles apart. If someone is intrigued by the GVUL "investment" option they.should read Nelson Nash's book. I've done something similar with term insurance and a tax efficient margin account at IBKR. I don't pay income tax on the gains and the money stays invested when I access cash via margin loan. It provides a lower portion of available cash than high cash value WL, but the "cash value" earns a better long term return. When I die, the account gets passed on to my heirs at a stepped up basis, wiping out the LTCG tax liability.
#156
Just looking through the materials and I'm try to find an exemption for flying outside of delta or flying experimental aircraft. This is always a gotcha in life policies but I haven't found it yet. Anybody?
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In other words, I think if an aviation exclusion rider can't be found anywhere, the implication is that death by aviation is included in the policy (i.e. it's not excluded.) I'm also curious if anyone has found anything.
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I haven't looked through the Met Life paperwork, but usually an Aviation exclusion comes in the form of a rider attached to the policy, basically saying that life insurance doesn't cover loss if the insured was a pilot/crew in an aircraft. This rider is actually very common in most life insurance policies.
In other words, I think if an aviation exclusion rider can't be found anywhere, the implication is that death by aviation is included in the policy (i.e. it's not excluded.) I'm also curious if anyone has found anything.
In other words, I think if an aviation exclusion rider can't be found anywhere, the implication is that death by aviation is included in the policy (i.e. it's not excluded.) I'm also curious if anyone has found anything.
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This is correct. I can confirm that I asked MetLife specifically about GA and was told “everything is covered except for intentional death caused by beneficiary.”
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I like the IBC concept. I agree the GVUL and IBC are miles apart. If someone is intrigued by the GVUL "investment" option they.should read Nelson Nash's book. I've done something similar with term insurance and a tax efficient margin account at IBKR. I don't pay income tax on the gains and the money stays invested when I access cash via margin loan. It provides a lower portion of available cash than high cash value WL, but the "cash value" earns a better long term return. When I die, the account gets passed on to my heirs at a stepped up basis, wiping out the LTCG tax liability.


