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DELTAFO 02-10-2023 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3589039)
Thanks fellas. Another question.

I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.

That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?

They likely ran trip coverage before you submitted your yellow slip

blue vortex 02-10-2023 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3589039)
Thanks fellas. Another question.

I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.

That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?

I believe you likely ran afoul of the 23.O.3 provision that states “provided FAR reserve rest requirements have been met.”

Meaning you needed 10 hours minimally of notice

However, this is a very good question and I’m not saying I have the definitive answer.

sailingfun 02-10-2023 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3589039)
Thanks fellas. Another question.

I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.

That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?

Plug the trip you wanted into the legality calculator. If legal for the trip call crew scheds and get paid for it. If they say no then call the union. Section 12 has nothing to do with trip coverage. Section 23 is what you need. If legal and if you submitted the request before they pulled the coverage you will be paid for it. A coverage pull is valid for 30 minutes. After that they have to pull it again if not covered so if the trip was still in open time 30 minutes after your request you know you are good.

BCan 02-10-2023 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3589454)
Plug the trip you wanted into the legality calculator. If legal for the trip call crew scheds and get paid for it. If they say no then call the union. Section 12 has nothing to do with trip coverage. Section 23 is what you need. If legal and if you submitted the request before they pulled the coverage you will be paid for it. A coverage pull is valid for 30 minutes. After that they have to pull it again if not covered so if the trip was still in open time 30 minutes after your request you know you are good.

sorry…fat fingers…23 was my intended reference. I was on x-days, i had 10hrs, ACE submitted.

Puddytatt 02-10-2023 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3589483)
sorry…fat fingers…23 was my intended reference. I was on x-days, i had 10hrs, ACE submitted.

They probably ran the trip coverage as soon as the trip came up in open time and before you put in your YS. That's what they usually do. Unless you just had a blanket YS in that is.

icohftb 10-21-2025 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3589126)
You do get PB days if the underlying day is an X-day. “Full” simply means no further obligation to the company for the bid month, nothing more. (And it is NOT required to be on your schedule to be true).

Having said that, you are correct that you might as well YS on a LC day, as it’s higher on the coverage ladder.

If picking up a GS when full on X day will the earned PB be applied on the remaining LC (full) days or banked?

CBreezy 10-21-2025 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by icohftb (Post 3962420)
If picking up a GS when full on X day will the earned PB be applied on the remaining LC (full) days or banked?

Remaining LC days

icohftb 10-24-2025 11:55 AM

Any avoidable gotchas with submitting a YS to fly over a mix of RES and X days that might prevent one from getting a trip? Any differences between for example X-X-LC vs LC-X-X? Attempting to get "full" as quickly as possible. Thanks!

tennisguru 10-24-2025 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by icohftb (Post 3963476)
Any avoidable gotchas with submitting a YS to fly over a mix of RES and X days that might prevent one from getting a trip? Any differences between for example X-X-LC vs LC-X-X? Attempting to get "full" as quickly as possible. Thanks!

Not that I’m aware of. No extra pay is due, and no PB days earned as I assume you’re aware. Everything you do just goes towards reserve guarantee to help you fill up.

notEnuf 10-24-2025 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3963486)
Not that I’m aware of. No extra pay is due, and no PB days earned as I assume you’re aware. Everything you do just goes towards reserve guarantee to help you fill up.

True but I would try to move the X days later in the month on the off chance after you are full you might GS for PBs.


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