Giordano Bruno

What you are missing, and have missed the whole time, is that there was no viable offer from mgmt prior to covid.

You have clearly convinced yourself there was a path to a ratifiable TA prior to covid. You are only deceiving yourself.

As always, you blame dalpa for fighting for more...and absolve mgmt of their lack of good faith by slow rolling the process.

Under no circumstances would your preferred method (settle early, settle often) ever produce better work rules. It's all about pay rates for you. Thank goodness you didn't get your way. Someone said your retirment poster is up. I wish you well in the next phase of your life, while feeling grateful you won't be able to lower our expectations and push for "unlocking value" next time around.

TED74

Show me any indicator from any party that an on-time contract was even remotely possible. And I don’t mean a pay-only contract that 80% or more of your coworkers had zero interest in. Your own prognostications aside, I don’t believe you’ll find any sign whatsoever that this was going to happen. But I’m happy to be proven wrong.

Your argument is essentially “we didn’t get more but we could have”. Cool story.

Maybe this is what cognitive decline looks like. Hard to understand your world view, but I suppose you and I surround ourselves with very different folks.

Abouttime2fish

Sooooo ….. no check yet. Missed out on a used truck yesterday waiting on our one time bonus/retro money to arrive.

notEnuf

What would this hypothetical "on time" contract look like? If it's remotely like the last "on time on target" contract we would be even further from a deal.

notEnuf

Wait a few pages back you said we were suckers for not getting "full retro." So which is it, should we have held out longer for that or settled earlier to be on to the next? It played out per the mediator's (arbitrator's) decision and the MEC's vote. Which part did you predict?

bigdaddie

I need my one-time payment check so I can pay the taxes on my “retro pay” check.

Iceberg

What would your ratifiable, on-time C19 looked like? You’ve said 8/4/4, but never mentioned anything else and you continue to ignore any questions about it. You say agreeing on time would have been best, but you’ve never said what you think the other sections of the contract could have ended up looking like.

tennisguru

I think he's extremely focused in on pay rates, which to his credit he's correct on. Had we done a short, on-time or nearly on-time C2019 then we'd be looking at higher payrates over 2023-2027. And that naturally set us us back every contract going forward, so yes not getting an on-time contract is going to cost us real dollars every year going forward. Where he misses the boat though is that C2019 was supposed to be a QOL contract, and the company wasn't willing to play ball on that. We could probably have had a 10-5-5 deal done quickly if we had minimal scheduling improvements or even some concessions in some areas. The fact of the matter is as a pilot group we were at the point where pay was really good so we were looking to fix other areas of the contract (some of which also boost pay take-home pay). We were willing to take some delay to pay in order to achieve greater QOL.

Unfortunately covid blew all that up and while QOL was still important the damage to the economy and resulting inflation drove pay as a much stronger priority as well. Our new PWA did a good job on pay and has the potential to greatly improve QOL.

The other variable is let's say we got a mediocre QOL deal right before covid but with good pay raises. Obviously no one would have had time to pattern off of us, so then we'd be opening today already significantly above our peers in pay rates, so it's not inconceivable that the company would balk at another strong increase to pay rates. Plus we'd still be hunting for our QOL contract and we'd have a similar dragged out fight trying to get that done.

Boatbuilder

I just remembered that this company often takes MONTHS to acknowledge and pay for a day of RR pay.
The question isn’t whether we will see the cash “the week of the 20th”. The question should be which 20th! 🤔

Scoop

Dude - We have to play the cards we were dealt. When you consider the big pictures: DALPA possibly opening too big, and then the first true Worldwide pandemic in 100 year’s, which caused DALPA and the company to mutually request a pause in negotiations -I think we did OK. Perhaps in an alternate universe a different DALPA MEC opened realistically and they are now working on the subsequent deal but it didn’t happen here.

Also if we settled on a quick deal how many of the QOL gains would we have secured?

Scoop