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crewdawg 05-27-2023 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 3642186)
i agree, but we're talking about 2 different issues here. what you're bringing up is certainly a big issue, but has nothing to do with how trips are covered. i'm with you 100% on that being the reason so many trips are in open time, why our QOL sucks and we aren't able to drop trips and so forth.


The two are interconnected, fix one and the other isn't as much of an issue. We fix batch sizes for them, what drives them to be willing to fix our issues? You mentioned the reserve coverage formula above, that wouldn't be a terrible place to start.

Planetrain 05-27-2023 05:45 AM

Just open up more bases and then we can split these giant 400+ pilot categories into smaller ones. Then it doesn’t take as long to run coverage with small batch sizes.

NuGuy 05-27-2023 05:54 AM

You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.

gloopy 05-27-2023 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3642270)
You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.

LOL exactly. Not to mention there'd be less profit sharing too.

crewdawg 05-27-2023 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3642270)
You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.


Sure do realize it, and it's what I'd love to see again. Lower ALV's would be a welcome sight. It also means line holders could more freely drop trips without the negative coverage game, fewer days used for the reserves, etc... I lived it for a time here and it was pretty dang great.

Planetrain 05-27-2023 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3642270)
You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.

Exactly - 10 char

Planetrain 05-27-2023 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3642285)
Sure do realize it, and it's what I'd love to see again. Lower ALV's would be a welcome sight. It also means line holders could more freely drop trips without the negative coverage game, fewer days used for the reserves, etc... I lived it for a time here and it was pretty dang great.

It’s great if you’re top or mid seniority. If we’re fat staffed it means the company is thinking about shrinking. Not a great feeling in the bottom: UNA/Covid, 2008 JCBA/SLI/Great recession, bankruptcy, 9/11 just a few exhibits of plenty of blue days.

Gspeed 05-27-2023 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3642270)
You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.

Sign.
Me.
Up.

crewdawg 05-27-2023 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3642327)
It’s great if you’re top or mid seniority. If we’re fat staffed it means the company is thinking about shrinking. Not a great feeling in the bottom: UNA/Covid, 2008 JCBA/SLI/Great recession, bankruptcy, 9/11 just a few exhibits of plenty of blue days.

It was great for me (junior guy) as well. We were well staffed in my cateogry in the years leading up to rona. Now, even that WB category has crap coverage. We also had good enough coverage to have great schedule flexibility on the 73 back in 2015-2017. Didn't seem like we were looking to shrink around that time.

But to your first point, ya it should be great for mid seniority and senior guys...that's kinda the point.

neodd 05-27-2023 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3642267)
Just open up more bases and then we can split these giant 400+ pilot categories into smaller ones. Then it doesn’t take as long to run coverage with small batch sizes.

Try 665...

Meme In Command 05-27-2023 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by neodd (Post 3642576)
Try 665...

ATL 320 FO last I saw was 666

*Iron Maiden plays in the background*

myrkridia 05-27-2023 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3642613)
ATL 320 FO last I saw was 666

*Iron Maiden plays in the background*

Did they tell you they are not a number, but a free man?

tripled 05-27-2023 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3642270)
You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.

shack.

Maybe we could consider trading future batch sizes for more RCC control over initial bid packages and /or network’s imaginary capabilities.

MrBojangles 05-27-2023 07:53 PM

what about this..we give them bigger batches and one of us wins a lottery to go over there and smash the optimizer to bits

tripled 05-27-2023 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 3642660)
what about this..we give them bigger batches and one of us wins a lottery to go over there and smash the optimizer to bits

or simply expand the optimizer for pilot input/use prior to schedule awarding.

Part of the blanket gs problem is the company’s blunt approach to initial and broken-up trip construction. Honor more of our inputs and we won’t be forced to ignore 10 gs to discover the ones we’d actually fly.

or perhaps: Allow us to ‘tailor a pairing’ before it’s even created and we could be very efficient for the co and also flying desirable trips. I recognize there would be limits to the ‘tailor a pairing’ concept since some legs are simply undesirable but still need to be flown. Maybe the RLL formula could be a starting point.


fwiw I like the lottery suggestion better than this one above.

All 5 Stages 05-28-2023 07:35 PM

Are Inverse Assignments sent out in batches or one pilot at a time? I suspect it's the former. Today I received the automated call, hung up, looked at the rotation, and when I had called back (probably 2-3 minutes max) a senior pilot had already received the IA.

I was under the impression it went 1 pilot at a time starting at the bottom.

A5S

myrkridia 05-28-2023 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3643101)
Are Inverse Assignments sent out in batches or one pilot at a time? I suspect it's the former. Today I received the automated call, hung up, looked at the rotation, and when I had called back (probably 2-3 minutes max) a senior pilot had already received the IA.

I was under the impression it went 1 pilot at a time starting at the bottom.

A5S

They are done technically one at a time, but it's a computer doing it automatically with fractions of a second apart. So in practice it feels like one big call and the first one to answer gets it.

fishforfun 05-29-2023 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3642270)
You folks do realize that if we had "adequate staffing", there would be a bare fraction of the premium time we have today, if any at all. The senior people in each category would hoover it all up, and everyone else would just be flying their lines. ALVs would be relatively low, the open board and swap board would be empty.

Most on this thread, with the exception of a few, would lose their minds if that were to happen.

Sounds amazing.

hockeypilot44 05-29-2023 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3643144)
Sounds amazing.

Also, everyone would bid captain or widebody fo. No more captains at bottom of seniority list. Paychecks are a lot smaller too. Been there, done that.

tripled 05-29-2023 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by myrkridia (Post 3643112)
They are done technically one at a time, but it's a computer doing it automatically with fractions of a second apart. So in practice it feels like one big call and the first one to answer gets it.

sounds like a good case for an ace report. You might get laid for the trip without even working it! It can’t be within the spirit of the contract to call dozens or scores of pilots within seconds of each other and then simply award it to the first responder.


typo: ^paid….

tennisguru 05-29-2023 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by tripled (Post 3643358)
sounds like a good case for an ace report. You might get laid for the trip without even working it! It can’t be within the spirit of the contract to call dozens or scores of pilots within seconds of each other and then simply award it to the first responder.


typo: ^paid….

Not going to win that fight. That’s how IA’s have been done for years. Once the call goes out it’s first come first served.

Tropical 05-29-2023 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by tripled (Post 3643358)
sounds like a good case for an ace report. You might get laid for the trip without even working it! It can’t be within the spirit of the contract to call dozens or scores of pilots within seconds of each other and then simply award it to the first responder.

typo: ^paid….

https://tenor.com/bayHE.gif

DeltaboundRedux 05-29-2023 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3642285)
sure do realize it, and it's what i'd love to see again. Lower alv's would be a welcome sight. It also means line holders could more freely drop trips without the negative coverage game, fewer days used for the reserves, etc... I lived it for a time here and it was pretty dang great.

100%.

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