overqualified52

Ok. This is 2023 and not 1983. Shouldn’t it be time to allow Endeavor/Delta pilots to ride each other’s FA Jump seat/seats if not taken by an Endeavor/Delta Flight Attendant with the flight deck jump seat taken ? It’s pretty silly to see a flight depart with open FA jump seat/seats with the flight deck jump seat taken and the commuting Endeavor/Delta pilot left standing there . Anyone know why this policy can’t or won’t be changed ? Some Endeavor/Delta pilots will help each other out and offer to take FA seat on their perspective Metal if available, but not very often .

FangsF15

I suspect you’ll get 100% agreement on that here. It’s dumb. However, getting respective managements’ to see the light is the challenge.

nene

I totally agree, and it's like using the unused crew rest facilities (which was finally approved), it may take just a bit of effort by the company. I suspect that the FAA may say "if they are trained on those types of doors, they can occupy the seat" which is why I suspect were trained on every type of door in the fleet when we do door training during CQ.

cornbeef007

Good luck…at Compass we unilaterally accepted Delta pilots into the FA jumpseat, if it wasn’t taken. It took the FA about 5 seconds to brief the door.

It lasted about a year until it was obvious that either the company(Delta) or the union (DALPA) didn’t GAF. I suspect it was the company didn’t want to put any effort into it.

FangsF15

I don’t remember ever training on other fleets’ doors.

gloopy

What does that have to do with anything?

You sit in exit rows of other airlines and other planes you weren't trained in. You can sit on DL FA JS's on planes you've never been trained on. Its an IT time investment issue, and an extremely minor one at that.

FangsF15

Absolutely true. I was responding to Nene, who seemed to indicate the reason we can sit on our own-metal FA JS (below), but not 9E's, is because we are trained on all the doors at our air line.

That can't be the reason, because I've never trained on any other door than my own fleet. Unless I'm just special

CruJones

Check the Latest and Greatest thread. None of this matters since we’ll have all the CRJs and pilots on property soon anyway. Look for it on the 6/16 AE.

sailingfun

There is no requirement to be trained on the doors. In fact there is no requirement to even man the doors if they auto deploy the slide when the door is opened. Some airlines have even allowed any employee to occupy a FA jump seat. Jet blue had that policy in place for many years. They would also allow other airline crew members including pilots on their FA jumpseat. That ended when a Delta flight attendant sued jet blue over not being boarded.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/loca...dress/1856685/

Before you say she should have sued over the issue the real story was she showed up wearing jeans. When a seat in the back was unavailable she asked for the FA jumpseat however JetBlue required business casual dress to ride the jumpseat. A Delta flight attendant junior to her was given the seat and not only did she complain about the dress code but stated JetBlue had to board by seniority as that was Delta’s policy. JetBlue was first come first serve.

FangsF15

That article reads like its from "The Onion" or "Babylon Bee". A non-union FA flying on an OAL reciprocal JS privilege sues based on (at least partly a perceived) seniority issue? Wow, that's pretty rich.