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Meme In Command 06-26-2023 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3656414)
I get what you're saying, but SLC seems to have reached critical mass. Would it close before ATL closes? Theoretically yeah, of course. But if SLC closes in 90+% of circumstances that would happen in, we'd be in big trouble anyway.

Wasn't DFW one of our biggest hubs before it closed?

Brcat80 06-26-2023 08:02 AM

One other thing that I'm curious as to people's thoughts on is, if Delta and Endeavor do merge in the future, how would Endeavor pilot's seniority play into Delta's list? Would they simply be stapled to the bottom of the DL seniority list and have no real affect on the DL pilots, or would it mix in and potentially hurt pilot's seniority that have already been at Delta for years?

All 5 Stages 06-26-2023 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Brcat80 (Post 3656283)
I have been fortunate enough to receive CJO’s from United and Delta. I am trying to make the very difficult decision between the two. I am going to be a commuter to either. Is there a general consensus on which is the brighter looking airline for the future? Pros to Delta seem to be reserve rules, commutability, pay, new contract, 18hr LCR, however I’ve heard cons are that Delta has already hired a lot more than UAL over the past few years and seniority movement would be a lot slower than UAL. Pros to UAL seem to be the amount of wide body international flying they have, rapid growth and seniority movement, quick upgrade, and more retirements and hiring to come. Can anyone touch on these things? I have 40 years left of flying but seniority movement seems to be a lot better at United?

Recommend going through the "UA or DA" thread and the "Delta or United" thread. Your questions were probably answered several times.

A5S

Brcat80 06-26-2023 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3656447)
Recommend going through the "UA or DA" thread and the "Delta or United" thread. Your questions were probably answered several times.

A5S

I have read both of those threads in their entirety. Just looking for any further advice or opinions - not an easy decision and no right answer I understand.

Gone Flying 06-26-2023 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3656432)
Wasn't DFW one of our biggest hubs before it closed?

and DL was in bankruptcy, so yeah pretty deep trouble.

so was CVG.

i think it was sailing (May have been another poster) listed all the bases DL had when they were hired in the mid 80s, and all but 1 (ATL of course) has since closed. and they have not actually opened a base that is still around since then (all other current bases acquired via a merger)

But this isn’t 20 or 40 years ago, the dynamic at play are definitely different when 4 airlines control 80% of the domestic market share.

who knows what the future holds, but I would be surprised if SLC closes unless delta is in deep trouble.

on the flip side and to make your point, we all saw how delta panicked during Covid and was planning on running a 7000 pilot “boutique airline”. So who knows they may in fact close every base but ATL over the next 40 years like they did over the last 40

Brcat80 06-26-2023 09:49 AM

Another thing United mentioned was their plan/ambitious goal to grow the pilot base from ~16,500 to 28,000 pilots by the end of 2030. It seems as if they are going to continue hiring as much as possible for the foreseeable future. Does anyone know if that is Delta's plan as well, or what their hiring needs/plans are going forward?

gloopy 06-26-2023 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3656432)
Wasn't DFW one of our biggest hubs before it closed?

Apples vs Crabapples. The investments in SLC seem to dwarf DFW already and its still growing.

overqualified52 06-26-2023 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Brcat80 (Post 3656283)
I have been fortunate enough to receive CJO’s from United and Delta. I am trying to make the very difficult decision between the two. I am going to be a commuter to either. Is there a general consensus on which is the brighter looking airline for the future? Pros to Delta seem to be reserve rules, commutability, pay, new contract, 18hr LCR, however I’ve heard cons are that Delta has already hired a lot more than UAL over the past few years and seniority movement would be a lot slower than UAL. Pros to UAL seem to be the amount of wide body international flying they have, rapid growth and seniority movement, quick upgrade, and more retirements and hiring to come. Can anyone touch on these things? I have 40 years left of flying but seniority movement seems to be a lot better at United?

I’m assuming you are 25 . So you probably have 42 years left and more then likely 44 years when they push it to 69 eventually 😂😂. Delta probably you’re best bet , but not sure how things will go when Delta merges with JB ✌️.

Crown 06-26-2023 11:37 AM

As a DL guy I’ll be blunt - here is good. It’s very good. UA might be better though. You’ve hit the high points that people care about - wide body flying and seniority. Both would be better at United. Go there. Congrats on the amazing CJOs at both!

raisins 06-26-2023 05:43 PM

I had to make the same choice. Went with Delta, hands down the right decision. Past performance doesn’t something something who knows what the future will hold.


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