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tripled 06-26-2023 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3656533)
What did we get for solving managements problem? So far I haven't read anything that was something good in our favor.

fewer late night Arcos calls? (That totally weren’t delayed on purpose)

more lead time for IA calls? Though the company was probably just fine waiting until 60 minutes prior to Signin.

otherwise not much from what I can tell. It’s puzzling why we didn’t start with a limit of 25(?) and then start tracking when the coverage sequence STARTS. Could have made a measurable difference I think. Instead, the company just went whole hog with 10 trips and a batch size of 100. Stay tied to your phone fellas!

Gone Flying 06-26-2023 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3656549)
Yes, this is exactly it. A grievance settlement is different from an LOA. The MEC has basically unlimited latitude when it comes to settlements.

thanks. Bummer.

Has it been said which reps voted yes on this.

dragon 06-26-2023 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 3656420)
*did not read the email

I read it, just don't see any point in arguing with our overlords.

Hotel Kilo 06-26-2023 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3656549)
Yes, this is exactly it. A grievance settlement is different from an LOA. The MEC has basically unlimited latitude when it comes to settlements.

I smell council 44.

Jaww 06-26-2023 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3656608)
I smell council 44.

I showered today! Is it my cologne?

Hotel Kilo 06-26-2023 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3656610)
I showered today! Is it my cologne?

Unless you were in the elevator at the Intercon ATH right before we got in then no.

interceptorpilo 06-26-2023 02:20 PM

It feels like this abuse of 23.M.7 was a way for the Company to get exactly what it wanted - unlimited batch sizes. And we fell right for it. I am seriously disappointed in the Union today and I am normally happy with their performance. We should have gotten a serious quid for this and we basically got the Company’s promise to abide by the contract as written and understood for decades.

JamesBond 06-26-2023 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Tropical (Post 3656481)
All this is going to do is increase the number of pilots who accept a proffer, then refuse or ignore the acknowledgement. The company thinks they're being all clever and solving their problem while sticking it to us, but in reality, it's just going to make things worse when they think trips are covered and then people refuse it at the ack phase and then it still has to roll through small batches to cover the trip like it currently does.

So next month, the union will probably give concessions that if you accept the proffer it's yours and you have to do it, to solve that problem for them.

how do you refuse something you have auto acknowledged?

interceptorpilo 06-26-2023 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3656641)
how do you refuse something you have auto acknowledged?

I think it is semantics. You basically get two bites at the apple. You acknowledge it either automatically or via ACARS and then you have to accept it after.

crewdawg 06-26-2023 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3656641)
how do you refuse something you have auto acknowledged?


Auto acknowledge vs auto accept. You can auto acknowledge everything then reject it rather than accept it when they call back to award you the trip. My guess is this is pretty much what everyone will start doing, that way at least if I get woken up at 0300, I'm getting the trip.


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