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Jaww 07-24-2023 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3671708)
So can we use A380 rates? Highest rate right? 🤣 When does it take effect? If they get retro to 01/01/23, will our 2% be retro? I know these are silly questions, especially #1, I already know that answer, but seriously, if theirs is voted in and takes effect as of 01/01/23, ours should be retro too.

Though I see your logic I just have to say, let it go man. It’s over.

DWC CAP10 USAF 07-24-2023 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3671708)
So can we use A380 rates? Highest rate right? 🤣 When does it take effect? If they get retro to 01/01/23, will our 2% be retro? I know these are silly questions, especially #1, I already know that answer, but seriously, if theirs is voted in and takes effect as of 01/01/23, ours should be retro too.

You said you know the answer, but for those that don’t, it’s the highest paying aircraft in service.

WRT to your other question check out PWA 3.B.5 note 2

tmtbiker 07-24-2023 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3671708)
.......if theirs is voted in and takes effect as of 01/01/23, ours should be retro too.

The picture of the pay rates posted literally says Date Of Signing right on the top. So what makes you think they're effective as of 01/01/23? What makes you think we'd get retro based on the higher rates? They're in effect going forward from... Say it with me... Date Of Signing.

TegridyFarms 07-24-2023 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by tmtbiker (Post 3671792)
The picture of the pay rates posted literally says Date Of Signing right on the top. So what makes you think they're effective as of 01/01/23? What makes you think we'd get retro based on the higher rates? They're in effect going forward from... Say it with me... Date Of Signing.

Trying to look smart…. End up looking like an idiot. Ours were all DOS too, with retro being separate. Two separate animals.

And I think his comment was in jest.

First Break 07-25-2023 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3672071)
Trying to look smart…. End up looking like an idiot. Ours were all DOS too, with retro being separate. Two separate animals.

And I think his comment was in jest.

I don’t know whose contract you are looking at, but ours clearly shows “Effective January 1, 2023” above each pay table for 2023 rates.

DOS was March 2, 2023.

From what I’ve been able to gather, UA’s retro mirrors ours to the penny from 1/1/23 to DOS, and then increases by 1% on DOS.

Does anyone remember what kind of retro UA and AA were willing to accept prior to the DL deal?

FleetSnarl 12-19-2023 07:55 PM

So, to clarify:
  1. Do UA's and DL's pay rates match to the penny in 2024, 2025, and 2026?
  2. And, AFAIK, UA's contract provides pay rates through 2027 while DL does not have 2027 pay rates in their new PWA. Will or will not DL's pay rates match UA's in 2027?
Thanks!

hockeypilot44 12-20-2023 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by FleetSnarl (Post 3739270)
So, to clarify:
  1. Do UA's and DL's pay rates match to the penny in 2024, 2025, and 2026?
  2. And, AFAIK, UA's contract provides pay rates through 2027 while DL does not have 2027 pay rates in their new PWA. Will or will not DL's pay rates match UA's in 2027?
Thanks!

I believe Delta’s pay rates will probably exceed United’s in 2027 when they get a new contract. Delta almost always negotiates industry leading pay rates.

I also think the 737 max-10 will pay 321neo/757 rates at Delta. United’s does not. Again, Delta will lead the way as usual.

FL370esq 12-20-2023 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3739353)
I believe Delta’s pay rates will probably exceed United’s in 2027 when they get a new contract. Delta almost always negotiates industry leading pay rates.

I also think the 737 max-10 will pay 321neo/757 rates at Delta. United’s does not. Again, Delta will lead the way as usual.

Over/under on the 350-1000 getting "super premium widebody pay" and topping the current 350/330/765 rates if that rumor ever comes to fruition? Or....does it get dumped on as another 350 variant à la the 330-200/-300/-900?

Gone Flying 12-20-2023 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3739615)
Over/under on the 350-1000 getting "super premium widebody pay" and topping the current 350/330/765 rates if that rumor ever comes to fruition? Or....does it get dumped on as another 350 variant à la the 330-200/-300/-900?

I would assume it will pay WB pay. I’m not sure if we have an argument to require a new rate negotiation, since it just lists A350 on the pay scale, and does not specify -900

PilotBases 12-20-2023 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3739626)
I would assume it will pay WB pay. I’m not sure if we have an argument to require a new rate negotiation, since it just lists A350 on the pay scale, and does not specify -900

Id say if the -1000 gets flown at -900 rates, the 320 series should all be at Neo rates, or at least the 321ceos.


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