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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3690430)

False. Fake news.

Just like any other product, once it becomes an equal or less expensive alternative, it will be open for mass adoption. And no, the government didn't create aviation (contrary to what the PHAK says).

Tell me you don't know anything about the history of commercial aviation without telling me.

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3690433)

Assuming this is true, so what? Temps, like the stock market, rise and fall. Also it was a lot hotter before recorded history too.

A dog may wander but we still know his general direction. Your views on climate are about as solid as your views on the 1500 hour rules.

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3690405)

The Chinese electric car isn’t the US electric car.

“Wuling Mini EV” - sells in China for about $4,500. No, I didn’t forget a “0”. New electric car under $5k.

Plenty of China developed EV’s for under $10k.

Of course, you can’t purchase these in the US. Heck, with the tax coupon, the government would be paying you to take delivery.

Lots of directions this can go and stick to the sprit of the OP. Starting with “Why can’t I use the tax credit from US Gov to buy one of these for my kid as a starter car?”

The Wuling is built in partnership with GMC. Ask yourself why you can’t easily purchase one of these EV utilitarian vehicles when the rock bottom cheapest brand new gas car available in America is currently $1800+?

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/l...-electric-cars

https://www.wired.com/story/review-w...guang-mini-ev/

(Yeah, the China one is a POS. I’ve had lean years making <$20k/yr with no transport and took the bus; I’d have killed for a <$5k car).

You’re leaving out a few things about your $5,000 car.
First, they were about $13,000, but the government subsidized about $8,200 per car… I know, still cheap
Second, they were built by people making only a few dollars an hour (don’t you talk about a living wage in one of your other posts?), you’re paying $13,000 so someone else can barely get by
Third, they only got about 62 miles to a charge when new, and have mostly been abandoned. If you add cleanup and disposal, I wonder what the true cost will be, even at the few dollar an hour rate.
These are cars built as recently as 2021. Just because your Nerd Wallet article is 2023, don’t believe that much has changed beyond cosmetics.

Here is a Bloomberg article on it, lest you accuse me of spouting oil company propaganda.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...ev-graveyards/

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3690451)

All due respect to you. Exxon has not been able to dump their waste straight into the river for half a century. Shell has had scrubbers on their plants for half a century. True for the US and other first would countries.

That's my point. It wasn't done out of the kindness of their hearts. Governmental regulations forced them.

It cuts into their profits to do things cleaner and safer for everyone around them. No one wants to build a new refinery because it effects their bottom line. When profit is the only goal, everything else suffers.

Greed is only doing things for profit despite the consequences. We did that for a while. The Cayuga River in Cleveland literally caught on fire.

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Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 3690463)

lol ok, the conspiracy has run so deep that the people that record the temps are now in on it.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

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Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 3690463)

And 98% of scientists have no institutional integrity and are willing to sacrifice their entire lifes work for money.

You don't get funded or published by going against the ones funding and publishing you. Common sense 101.

And there are lots of scientists that understand climate change hasn't proven to be caused by manmade activity.

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3690535)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

You don't get funded or published by going against the ones funding and publishing you. Common sense 101.

And there are lots of scientists that understand climate change hasn't proven to be caused by manmade activity.

you cannot get 98% of a group to sacrifice professional integrity without at least 50% raising a flag if the data said something different. Common sense 101

please provide a credible, peer reviewed, published scientific paper that supports your second statement.

this became a political football because……money. Big oil lobbied hard in the 2000s, and here we are. Its sad to see people who can’t separate church from state and execute critical thinking.

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3690535)

And there are lots of scientists that understand climate change hasn't proven to be caused by manmade activity.

100% irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3690535)

That's not how any of that works. You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3690516)

I suppose pilots would intentionally crash their planes if it was not for government regulations forcing them to fly safely.

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3690555)

I suppose pilots would intentionally crash their planes if it was not for government regulations forcing them to fly safely.

No but airlines would definitely not give you 10 hours of rest or 45 minutes of reserve fuel if they weren’t forced to.