Originally Posted by Jughead135

Were all three trips open then covered at the same time?

The "if needed" YS is only looked at when the pilot has been identified to fly (i.e., you're getting SOME trip), there are one or more additional pilots also identified to fly, and there's multiple trips to be covered.

If (for example) the junior pilot got tagged to fly his trip before you, THEN the JFK trip hit OT and was covered as the only trip in that bucket... then you get it, and the "if needed" doesn't come into play. In other words, your YS can't force the senior guy to fly if he's not already tagged to fly one of multiple rotations. On the other hand, if the JFK was the only trip to be covered when it got sent out, it would go to the junior pilot (since your YS was "if needed"--and, with only one trip to cover, you weren't needed). Then the next trip comes out, you're first in line, and TAG!, you're it....

Originally Posted by captkdobbs

This^^^^^, 99% of the time for me as well.

This time, however, it also affected show-time and options to get home early (DDH options). This was the 1%

DART submitted. Do you guys think an ACE inquiry would help since there's no pay/assignment issue any more?

Originally Posted by FangsF15

No. An ACE inquiry won’t tell you anything you don’t already know. PWA 23.S.16, the SRH, and Sched Alert 20-09 are absolutely black-and-white clear, and binding. They 100% MUST honor your “if needed” in your scenario. It is not an option.

PLEASE file an FCR and ask for a reply. Make them answer for their failure to train and enforce contract compliance. It’s inexcusable this is still happening. CS is LAZY and just don’t look. They don’t want to admit that, so they make up some story to cover their mistake. Even supervisors have been unaware, forcing me to involve the CPO before to force them to honor the contract.

Originally Posted by captkdobbs

Done. As soon as I saw it, I called and they did fix it.

But the kicker is even the CS and Sup couldn't explain what happened. Is it another situation where our 1980s DOS system can't figure out how to make it work? I'm going to submit an ACE inquiry and send this one to ALPA Scheduling to see if it's something deeper.

Originally Posted by StartngOvr

I've had these ignored in the past as well. I have called and sometimes they reverse and correct it, other times, they don't. I filed an ACE report when it was ignored and they wouldn't correct it when I called. ACE finally paid off for once. (It happened July '22, and pay arrived Dec '23!)

Originally Posted by Hubcapped

fwiw, my technique is to hawk the fight in the mornings when they are sorting this out and this situation is in play. If they mess it up you can have it changed as long as the other pilot hasn’t acknowledged the trip yet.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

The other pilot acknowledge *shouldn't* have nothing to do with it....scheds has up to 2 hour prior to report to fix erroneously assigned rotations.

Originally Posted by Iceberg

I’ve had a trip that I “if needed” preferenced get awarded to a junior yellow slip while I got a less optimum trip. I called and they changed it to give me the trip I had preferenced. The other pilot called to say they had yellow slipped it, and since preferences don’t show as anything other than a regular reserve assignment, they took it back to give to the other pilot. I had to call again to get the trip back on my line.

They can fix it up to two hours out, they just don’t want to. Stick with it if you really want the trip, or I guess you could just wait and get paid for the misaward later.