You don’t know what you’re talking about. Countries can’t secure unilateral agreements outside of ICAO. It’s the very reason that Canada has said that U.S. pilots won’t be able to fly to Canada over the current age of 65 despite the fact that Canadian pilots can fly in Canada over the age of 65. And ICAO is several years away at best to making any changes to the mandatory retirement age.

Insert meme of grandpa banging away at a typewriter in front of a black and white CRT TV wondering what all the hoopla is about.

Age 67 schemers' exuses:

"Mentoring!"
"Pilot shortage!"
"Safety!"
[insert whatever other faux-altrustic prevarications they can think of here]

Also age 67 schemers:

"BUT WE DID'T GET THE FOURTH PILLAR!
"WE DESERVE MORE MONEY BECAUSE (REASONS)!!"
"WHAT IF THE YOUNG PILOTS HAVE A BETTER CAREER THAN WE DID?"
"WAAAAAH!"

So which is it...the top list, or the bottom list? I think we all know the answer.

Someone else has it better than me by complete chance of their time of birth? That means they owe me for my struggles!


-this concept brought to you by proudly right-wing americans.

Every catagory here flies through ICAO or another country's airspace. Where could they hide for 2 years?

Simulators, and won’t that be pleasant.

Japan.....

Excellent idea.

No. That isn’t allowable per ICAO. Even if Japan has pilots flying domestically that are over the age of 65.

That route goes through Canada and Pacific international airspace.

Airlines will need experienced instructors and managers at their flight academies. What better way to live the passion?

Or corporate flying.

Its just about the passion afterall, right?

Dude: You don't know what you're talking about! NZ and Australia currently has over 65 pilots flying between countries because they have a side agreement. My dad's friend is one of them.

Who's Dude and why does he keep speaking on your behalf?

The average age of the House is 58, Senate is 65.3. Government wants to keep people working longer generating tax revenue. Pretty sure age 67 is a done deal, like it or not.

Can we get delayed implementation and put Delta in charge of it?

If that was the case why would their lobbyist have these pilots send this letter to Congress? Obviously, they wouldn't and Senator Cruz wouldn't be complaining about ALPA holding up the FAA Reauthorization bill.

Senator Cruz Slams ALPA

Contact your Senators now. Let them know the FAA Medical is incapable of evaluating cognitive decline.

https://alpa.quorum.us/campaign/48916/

The AFL-CIO is now lobbying on behalf of ALPA's position.
No Dem lawmaker is going to buck Big Labor, and definately not in a preseidential election year.

Good luck with that physical.

I was wondering why the companies have been so quiet on this. In searching the DL PWA I might have found the answer. I agree that an age cannot be set via union-company negotiation, but read this section closely.

20.B.1
A pilot will accrue and retain seniority until the earlier of their termination, resignation, retirement, death, or attainment of the latest age under Part 121 of the FARs or other applicable statutes that they can serve as PIC or SIC, at which time they will be removed from the seniority list under Section 13. B. 3.

I believe that ALPA and the airlines will the bolded language to say ICAO, EASA, Canada … laws do not allow pilots over 65.

I spit out my beer. Kudos

I'm not the least bit worried about it Chief.

I’m aware of that arrangement and I don’t know the reason behind it. But I do know that Canada has told the U.S. absolutely not.

Because you're not going to Japan. They don't need old domestic-only pilots either.

yeah ... actually they do. Several jobs on the job boards.

Oh good. They can enjoy their golden years turning a wrench instead of enjoying what's left of their life. Just not here.

turning a wrench? They are pilot jobs, Ace.

What you have is the same plan I heard from 99% of the pilots I flew with over my career. The percentages that actually left early outside of company ER offers was virtually zero. 90% or more of the pilots on here screaming about raising the age and how horrible it is will be screaming to raise the age when they are over 60. Some things never change. It's kind of like mergers. If DOH benefits you in a merger it's the absolutely only fair way to merge. Then the next merger comes and you benefit from a ratio. That then becomes the only fair way to merge.

Mutual agreements would not work. You have to get ICAO to change their age.

Funny, Canada was one of the first to agree to agree 65.

Maybe they wanted to enjoy the benefits of their end of career seniority progression that was taken from at the age they were supposed to enjoy it. Not wanting the age to change, but staying if it does is contradictory in the least. Nice try though.

Contact your Senators now. Let them know the FAA Medical is incapable of evaluating cognitive decline.

https://alpa.quorum.us/campaign/48916/

I have a very similar hope to Chris (60 or so), but unless we fix how we handle healthcare in this country I will probably stick around until I can get Medicare. But the plan would be to taper off my flying down to 1 trip or so a month.

half of Washington is against it openly. No need to speculate. Any amount of research would show there’s a lot of opposition in Congress to age 67. Next time detach logic when talking about Congress. Because there is no logic up there regardless of where you sit for or against age 67

I wanted to be an early retirement guy. Overtime that has evolved into a Delta WalMart greeter guy. Get super senior in the category. Work 6-9 days a month and drop the rest. Keep the priority travel benefits for as long as possible.

Anyone on here drop below 35 hours a month on a regular basis? I’m curious of the mechanics of paying benefits when the 15th’s check is zero. I’d like to do the trip a month plan eventually but curious how that bit works?

​​​​​​I know you're not that ignorant to think that turn of phrase actually means turning a wrench

Tell me you haven’t had to cover for someone who is obviously past his/her/their prime without telling me you haven’t. It’s worse than single pilot ops, because you are fixing things that are wrong while trying not to ruin a working relationship.

I haven't.......Not once in 35 years......Nice try.......

I have, multiple times. And yes, I really did have to try to keep us from getting violated.

At Delta? Or someplace before?
I've never had to cover for anyone.

There was one 757 Cap I had at recurrent in about 1990 who'd just come off 25 years on the 727, who didn't like to "push buttons" on the FMS. So I did as much of that as the IP would allow but finally I got a tap on the shoulder from the IP who mouthed the words, "Let him do it." So I had to watch as he struggled but he got it done.

And to keep it even, I once had a 777 FO at recurrent who was so worthless the IP nearly busted him in the oral! He didn't know about half of the walk around slides! YGTBSM! Then when we got into the box I was pretty much single pilot. I was dismissed from the debriefing....never saw him again.