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Timbo 01-12-2024 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3750111)
When were you in Joberg without armed transport?

When we first started flying JNB we didn't have armed escort, and we could walk from the Hilton to Bull Run and all the way to the mall without any problems, but that was a long time ago. Last time I was there (24 mo ago) we had armed guards with us on the bus and in a car behind us. We took the hotel van to the mall, both ways.

jaxsurf 01-13-2024 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 3750651)
When we first started flying JNB we didn't have armed escort, and we could walk from the Hilton to Bull Run and all the way to the mall without any problems, but that was a long time ago. Last time I was there (24 mo ago) we had armed guards with us on the bus and in a car behind us. We took the hotel van to the mall, both ways.

Do we get Glocks when we get to JNB? I heard the interns get one (even if they have to share it).

Timbo 01-13-2024 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3751077)
Do we get Glocks when we get to JNB? I heard the interns get one (even if they have to share it).

Yeah but on the layover they stay in their rooms "polishing their weapon"! Or waxing their carrots!

sailingfun 01-14-2024 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3750069)
Joberg is statistically one of the most dangerous places we fly to. I'm always surprised why we have armed transport in Lagos but not in Joberg.

The national sport in Nigeria is kidnapping foreigners!

"Kidnapping for ransom on a commercial scale became rampant in Nigeria in 2011 spread across all the 36 states and the country's capital, Abuja.[13][14]"

Paperboi 01-14-2024 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3749913)
and in America you have to worry more about getting shot by a cop.. or anywhere in public

This is quite literally my least worry in America. And I'm dark. Amazing what happens when you behave like a civilized human being. Stop being a drama queen or move to Canada.

sailingfun 01-14-2024 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3749913)
and in America you have to worry more about getting shot by a cop.. or anywhere in public

Pull over when asked or lights are on in the first safe spot to stop. If at night put your dome lights on. Roll down the drivers window. Place your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel and stay that way until the cop asks you to do something. You won't get shot.

Timbo 01-14-2024 04:43 PM

pay attention kids:

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8?si=_HCKx6cz_tlDLNZc

MoosePileit 01-15-2024 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3751732)
Pull over when asked or lights are on in the first safe spot to stop. If at night put your dome lights on. Roll down the drivers window. Place your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel and stay that way until the cop asks you to do something. You won't get shot.

In AR they will P.I.T. you if you don't pull over quickly, period.

https://youtu.be/-g-TCv5MkXs?si=EuWOK_WyRm3-1c4l

OOfff 01-15-2024 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3751732)
Pull over when asked or lights are on in the first safe spot to stop. If at night put your dome lights on. Roll down the drivers window. Place your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel and stay that way until the cop asks you to do something. You won't get shot.

in other countries, you don’t get shot even if you don’t put your dome light on

GogglesPisano 01-15-2024 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3752186)
in other countries, you don’t get shot even if you don’t put your dome light on

No one gets shot in the US for not putting their dome light on. They get shot for pulling a deadly weapon on the cops. It's always a case of resisting arrest escalating to violence.

Jughead135 01-15-2024 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by MoosePileit (Post 3752152)
In AR they will P.I.T. you if you don't pull over quickly, period.

https://youtu.be/-g-TCv5MkXs?si=EuWOK_WyRm3-1c4l


YGBSM....

That gal's lawsuit will be epic.

Gone Flying 01-15-2024 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 3752258)
YGBSM....

That gal's lawsuit will be epic.

maybe, but even if she is successful, it will be the tax payers who foot the bill, not law enforcement.

https://www.newsweek.com/rodney-dunn-arkansas-police-pit-pregnant-woman-1599257

she did exactly what she was supposed to do and he tried to kill her for it.

Rodney Dunn faced no discipline for his actions.

waldo135 01-15-2024 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3752309)
maybe, but even if she is successful, it will be the tax payers who foot the bill, not law enforcement.

https://www.newsweek.com/rodney-dunn-arkansas-police-pit-pregnant-woman-1599257

she did exactly what she was supposed to do and he tried to kill her for it.

Rodney Dunn faced no discipline for his actions.

“attempted murder”??? Pretty sure the bumper tap is a taught/approved maneuver. Completely uncalled for in this case it appears, but in no attempted murder.

OOfff 01-15-2024 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3752195)
No one gets shot in the US for not putting their dome light on. They get shot for pulling a deadly weapon on the cops. It's always a case of resisting arrest escalating to violence.

always is an interesting turn of phrase. But mostly it’s just strange to me how america has such a worse cultural problem with “resisting arrest escalating to violence” than other countries. What is wrong with us?

Gone Flying 01-15-2024 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3752195)
No one gets shot in the US for not putting their dome light on. They get shot for pulling a deadly weapon on the cops. It's always a case of resisting arrest escalating to violence.

Show me in either of these video where Daniel Shaver was “resisting arrest escalating to violence“

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WViiA3XHoAY

Gone Flying 01-15-2024 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3752316)
“attempted murder”??? Pretty sure the bumper tap is a taught/approved maneuver. Completely uncalled for in this case it appears, but in no attempted murder.

YGBSM. He intentionally flipped her car over at 60MPH while she was complying. He acted with total disregard for her life and did something that easily could have killed her.

notEnuf 01-15-2024 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3752316)
“attempted murder”??? Pretty sure the bumper tap is a taught/approved maneuver. Completely uncalled for in this case it appears, but in no attempted murder.

If this was 2 civilians, I bet some prosecutors would absolutely file that charge in an attempt to plea it down to something less trying to be as punitive as possible.

GogglesPisano 01-15-2024 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3752318)
always is an interesting turn of phrase. But mostly it’s just strange to me how america has such a worse cultural problem with “resisting arrest escalating to violence” than other countries. What is wrong with us?

You are correct. It is cultural. The fact that there are so many guns also makes cops understandably trigger-happy.

GogglesPisano 01-15-2024 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3752330)
Show me in either of these video where Daniel Shaver was “resisting arrest escalating to violence“

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WViiA3XHoAY

That was tragic. The cop should be prosectuted.

Gone Flying 01-15-2024 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3752398)
That was tragic.

I disagree. The titanic was tragic because it was a series of mistakes that led to loss of life, but there was no malice. This was not a mistake, those officers clearly operated with malice. It was clear from the first :30 of that video they had every intention of killing him.



Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3752398)
The cop should be prosectuted.

I will never understand how, but Brailsford was acquitted. It is my understanding the judge allowed several pieces of evidence to be suppressed (like the fact he had engraved the rifle he used with the phrase “you’re ****ed”). But instead of spending the rest of his life behind bars, The city of Mesa will pay Brailsford for the rest of his life for killing Shaver. After the trial, Brailsford was rehired by the Mesa police department where he subsequently claimed PTSD and was allowed to retire and collect his pension.

It only took 4 months after the trial for Mesa to start paying Brailsford, it took 5 years (after the trail, 7 years after his death) for Shaver’s wife and kids to see any money.

Beech Dude 01-15-2024 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3749913)
and in America you have to worry more about getting shot by a cop.. or anywhere in public

Times I've ever worried about being shot by police is and always will be zero.

John Carr 01-15-2024 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3752186)
in other countries, you don’t get shot even if you don’t put your dome light on

It depends on what "other" countries you mean.


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3752195)
No one gets shot in the US for not putting their dome light on. They get shot for pulling a deadly weapon on the cops. It's always a case of resisting arrest escalating to violence.

The amount of videos that are EASILY accessable on the internet that cleary demostrate this is enormous.
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Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3752318)
always is an interesting turn of phrase. But mostly it’s just strange to me how america has such a worse cultural problem with “resisting arrest escalating to violence” than other countries. What is wrong with us?

As is your use of the word "other". It simply depends.

But as mentione, the amount of easily found videos that CLEARLY show the person esclating a situation is huge.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3752395)
You are correct. It is cultural. The fact that there are so many guns also makes cops understandably trigger-happy.

Usuing your own words, its not really a matter of LEO's being "trigger happy"

Repeating myself, the amount of videos that can be seen where had the LEO not reacted in a fraction of a second and would have lost their life is astounding.

The amount of peolpe that buy into/beleive that over 1000 unarmed african americans are shot/killed EVERY YEAR is astounding.


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