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Old 01-14-2025 | 03:40 PM
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Delta Dr. cant deny an FAA granted medical. That is by law. If they ever do it will be an expesive denial.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 03:58 PM
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Delta Dr. cant deny an FAA granted medical. That is by law. If they ever do it will be an expesive denial.
But they do. I wasn't even out on LTD, combination of sick and FAA Leave for about 4 months, and Dr. F didn't "agree" with the treatment plan (none) or restrictions (none) even though my SI was signed by the Federal Air Surgeon.

Had to get ALPA, CPO and my Congresswoman involved to RTW.

But then again, my medical got revoked by tip from an "anonymous caller" with info only someone with access to my insurance records, or my MD / Pharmacist would have.

I had just won a legal fight against the company related to benefits, totally not the company weaponizing medical.

Long story short, I'm on an off label at the time medication that while still off label, is now on the AASI form as an allowed / AME can issue treatment. That had been properly reported but HR had said "any off label drugs are unsafe" in a meeting when they were denying my wife a medication she needed post brain surgery to control her blood sugar but she's not "technically" diabetic, so they denied and in the appeal meeting, which fell under HIPPA , I said, funny, Im on an off label drug, that Delta pays for, that the FAA who is very conservative approved. (Had an SI for 5+ years for it)

Two weeks later, certified letter from OKC, emergency suspension of medical certificates.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 04:17 PM
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Delta Dr. cant deny an FAA granted medical. That is by law. If they ever do it will be an expesive denial.
I can assure you Delta certainly thinks they can and will block your return to work. They blocked mine for 8 months after I had my medical back.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
In my case Dr Faulkner denied my return to work. This created a big headache as Harvey Watt removed me from disability. It took a letter from the FAA to get Dr Faulkner to approve the return. My experience was in the middle of covid so communication with the company was difficult. I was shunted to voicemails for people who took the covid early out or simply never replied. If approved by Delta medical it's relatively straight forward. There are two documents to reference. The pilot disability handbook and pilot disability guide. I think they can both be downloaded from the company website but one may have come from DALPA.
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But they do. I wasn't even out on LTD, combination of sick and FAA Leave for about 4 months, and Dr. F didn't "agree" with the treatment plan (none) or restrictions (none) even though my SI was signed by the Federal Air Surgeon.

Had to get ALPA, CPO and my Congresswoman involved to RTW.

But then again, my medical got revoked by tip from an "anonymous caller" with info only someone with access to my insurance records, or my MD / Pharmacist would have.

I had just won a legal fight against the company related to benefits, totally not the company weaponizing medical.

Long story short, I'm on an off label at the time medication that while still off label, is now on the AASI form as an allowed / AME can issue treatment. That had been properly reported but HR had said "any off label drugs are unsafe" in a meeting when they were denying my wife a medication she needed post brain surgery to control her blood sugar but she's not "technically" diabetic, so they denied and in the appeal meeting, which fell under HIPPA , I said, funny, Im on an off label drug, that Delta pays for, that the FAA who is very conservative approved. (Had an SI for 5+ years for it)

Two weeks later, certified letter from OKC, emergency suspension of medical certificates.
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I can assure you Delta certainly thinks they can and will block your return to work. They blocked mine for 8 months after I had my medical back.
Odd. Doc F worked my SI and my RTW and I had no issues whatsoever. Curiuos you guys had issue with him.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 05:09 PM
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Odd. Doc F worked my SI and my RTW and I had no issues whatsoever. Curiuos you guys had issue with him.
No idea. I've never seen nor spoken to him. Only sent a new medical, my SI letter, and they rejected based on that. AMAS later sent more stuff. But none was relevant to my suspension.

I had zero treatment changes, no labs, no nothing after the suspended medical. Apparently the "reject due to anonymous tip" department doesn't talk to airman certification who was like "wtf we've known you take X instead of Y for years and it works"

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Old 01-14-2025 | 05:12 PM
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No idea. I've never seen nor spoken to him. Only sent a new medical, my SI letter, and they rejected based on that. AMAS later sent more stuff. But none was relevant to my suspension.

I had zero treatment changes, no labs, no nothing after the suspended medical. Apparently the "reject due to anonymous tip" department doesn't talk to airman certification who was like "wtf we've known you take X instead of Y for years and it works"
Well CX, you are after all our resident human cyborg, so nothwithstanding (I'm joking here) I'm pretty sure you're a one off from the vast majority of us non-cyberdine engineered humanoids and they are not quite certain how to handle you
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Old 01-14-2025 | 05:58 PM
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Well CX, you are after all our resident human cyborg, so nothwithstanding (I'm joking here) I'm pretty sure you're a one off from the vast majority of us non-cyberdine engineered humanoids and they are not quite certain how to handle you
Funny thing, no mention from Doc F about my prosthetics. (FAA made me prove I can fly WITHOUT my "prosthetic" but makes me carry a spare. No logic there. )

The even funnier thing is our insurance doesn't consider it a prosthetic, the Navy, VA and FAA do. "Partial foot prosthetic" aka an orthotic on steroids. They seriously look like like just slightly beefy orthotics. I have at last count, 15 or so pairs between the house, GA flight bag, work bags, motocross bags etc.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Odd. Doc F worked my SI and my RTW and I had no issues whatsoever. Curiuos you guys had issue with him.
Not only did I have issues he later denied he had ever disapproved my return to work. Fortunately I saved all the emails and could show them to flight ops.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not only did I have issues he later denied he had ever disapproved my return to work. Fortunately I saved all the emails and could show them to flight ops.

There's a reason Delta severed the relationship with F

The 24 hour return to work had stretched as long as two months.

I have not heard any delays since Delta brought it in house
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Old 01-14-2025 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
First, WELCOME BACK!

Done it 2x. It's surprisingly quick. In essence, they have to pay you from the day you submit your medical (aka RTW, "Return to Work), so they want you back flying ASAP.

Once you submit your medical to the company, the Director of Medical Services turns it around within a day or two at most. That's just a double check that all the i's are dotted and t's crossed. Crew Resources will call you within another day or two to ask you what category you want to return to. Officially, any AE award that happened while you were out for which you were eligible (i.e., no seat lock), you can just 'pick'. In practice, you can pick anything you can hold. No that you haven't thought about it, but chose wisely. (also, they returned me with a seat lock, either...) They will probably get you into training within a few extra weeks at most. I heard one story of a RTW to sims that was well under a week. That said, one of my 2x, I returned to the 765 (767-400), and the training planner called with training and said, "it's your lucky day, I can't get you in for 7 weeks!" So I got 7 weeks off at full pay (ALV, I think).

Feel free to PM. It's been 4ish years, but glad to offer any help.
Everything he said is accurate. It's quick. I submitted my medical on a Thursday, I was sitting in the sim the following Tuesday. Oh, and with 142 CBTs to do over the weekend. Never caught any grief about not getting those done on time, lol.

There is a checklist to follow on DeltaNet: Flight Ops -> Admin -> Pilot Leaves -> Return to Work Checklist. Some things on there didn't happen automatically as they say they will or are a pain, such as the EFB. I had to get a loaner for two weeks, as they would only ship the thing to my house but I was already in ATL doing sims.

Originally Posted by FangsF15
Also, it totally sucks, but your vacaiton will be reduced on a pro-rated share. And if you have less than 7 full days to bid in a given week (secondary/tertiary/quaternary), you don't get the seprate vacation week, it will be tagged onto your 'previous' week as a super long 'week'... You also don't get sick bank time until you finish OE and get the OK...
This is also true. You'll get penalized for two years after coming back for the audacity of losing your medical. Also, if you call out sick on OE, you won't get paid for it. Ask me how I know...

I'm working on some resolutions to get these POS's fixed in the next contract.
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