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Timbo 03-14-2025 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3892967)
The weather forecasters on that route are terrible too. We takeoff and SEA is VFR with no ALT listed or required and in <30 minutes the destination goes CatIII unless the engine fails then the visibility comes up to 1/2.

Train how we fight, fight how we train.


I had that same city pair on my A350 type rating ride!

So realistic for the A350 typical operation...

Cruz5350 03-14-2025 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3892822)
Sim land, cooperate, graduate, candidate plays the game.

I guess I don’t understand what the LOE is/was. I treat the sim no different than the line with respect to some profiles like an obvious GPWS or TCAS but are ppl saying instructors aren’t adding extra fuel because of the script ? So the examiner wants to evaluate a self induced issue because it’s cooperate to graduate?

Cruz5350 03-14-2025 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 3892980)
I had that same city pair on my A350 type rating ride!

So realistic for the A350 typical operation...

Why aren’t people saying how jacked up this is?

Peoplemvr 03-14-2025 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3892853)
Yea, I corrected myself a couple messages ago wrt to the fact that it’s a sim event. But, if one wanted to push back a little, telling the examiner the sim event is supposed to be handled just like a line event might be sporty. They love to tell us that, and if that’s the case, that’s how I’d handle it on the line.

Yup. I always start off an LOE event with a confrontation with the examiner.

Cruz5350 03-14-2025 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3892983)
Yup. I always start off an LOE event with a confrontation with the examiner.

It’s not what you say it’s how you say it.

Gone Flying 03-14-2025 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 3892981)
I guess I don’t understand what the LOE is/was. I treat the sim no different than the line with respect to some profiles like an obvious GPWS or TCAS but are ppl saying instructors aren’t adding extra fuel because of the script ? So the examiner wants to evaluate a self induced issue because it’s cooperate to graduate?

in my experience I got the extra gas when I asked but there was no way for them to change our WDR/numbers.

Honestly it was a non event.

Cruz5350 03-14-2025 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3893025)
in my experience I got the extra gas when I asked but there was no way for them to change our WDR/numbers.

Honestly it was a non event.

As long as the examiner/instructor adds it then fine, I just think it’s poor training if they’re knowingly putting you into a situation that you try and rectify and they say unable it’s the lesson. That’s pointless negative training.

2StgTurbine 03-14-2025 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 3893029)
As long as the examiner/instructor adds it then fine, I just think it’s poor training if they’re knowingly putting you into a situation that you try and rectify and they say unable it’s the lesson. That’s pointless negative training.

It is not pointless training to add a time restraint in the form of fuel. The time to learn those lessons is in the sim. If you can't make PDX-SEA work with the 70 minutes of extra fuel they give you in the scenario, you are doing something wrong.

notEnuf 03-14-2025 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3893038)
It is not pointless training to add a time restraint in the form of fuel. The time to learn those lessons is in the sim. If you can't make PDX-SEA work with the 70 minutes of extra fuel they give you in the scenario, you are doing something wrong.

I need to know which bucket to put it in. Some checklists are methodically long and I don't know if the scenario is to complete the checklist accurately to the end or abandon the checklist with captains authority to get it on the ground the former means you rush the later means there's no reason to run the checklist because my time bucket is undefined.

2StgTurbine 03-14-2025 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3893048)
I need to know which bucket to put it in. Some checklists are methodically long and I don't know if the scenario is to complete the checklist accurately to the end or abandon the checklist with captains authority to get it on the ground the former means you rush the later means there's no reason to run the checklist because my time bucket is undefined.

It is a 25 minute flight where you are never more than 15 minutes from an airport. At the worst point in the flight, you will have 70 minutes of and will be right on top of 4 airports. No checklist takes THAT much time. The flap faiiure checklist take the longest and that is 10-15 minutes.


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