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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3941579)
American picked up Pan Am’s Miami operation. Delta had a large LGA operation before the Pan Am asset purchase. With the purchase Delta acquired the shuttle and international ops out of JFK.
Originally Posted by Meme In Command
(Post 3941604)
I think Hard Landing goes through the order in which the MIA South America routes went through. I believe the order is: Pan-Am, Braniff, Eastern, AA.
This is only true in part. There were two sets of "historical" South American routes, one down the east coast, and the other down the west coast of SoAM. Braniff owned the east coast routes, PanAm-Grace had the west coast routes, while PanAm retained a smaller set of routes down through Central America. When Braniff purchased Panagra, they pretty much owned the SoAm market from the US. When Braniff hit hard times, they "leased" their SoAm route network to Eastern, though anyone paying attention would know that was permanent. When Eastern itself hit hard times, it sold the Braniff routes to American. PanAm had sold their Pacific routes to United in the 80's, the Atlantic & Shuttle to Delta, and that left them with token service out of a MIA hub with their remaining SoAM route authorities. Most of those wound up with United, who bought them out of the bankruptcy auction in 1991, and beat AMRs bid. UAL ran a MIA crew base and tried to make a go of the old PanAm routes, but could never really make them work without big feed to MIA, and they didn't really even have a East Coast presence at the time other than IAD. Eventually they pulled down the old PanAm routes and closed their MIA crew base. |
Originally Posted by Ripinpeace
(Post 3941582)
Nah I live in base I’m not crazy. Still though, AUS will become the third hub created by Delta organically.
What Delta has done in the past is completely irrelevant. Many people on here think Delta will (remain or become?) some boutique airline with one hub: ATL.. and that is blatant ignorance. DL is the largest in the Midwest, NYC, LAX, & Southeast... These past base closures are for one, irrelevant. Second, the closure of these bases has made room for new ones “Delta is due for more” argument. All of Delta’s current hubs are completely un-recognizable from what they were years ago - each one in its current state was crafted/developed by Delta; not some other dead carrier. The days of Northwest and other mergers are ancient history in the airlines world and are forever irrelevant. I’ll be here for 35+ years; plenty of time to see Delta, once again, become unrecognizable from what it is today many times over. Delta, by 2030, will be just under or at a 20,000 pilot airline assuming no black swan with a fleet larger than its ever had. There’s a massive network gap in TX, DL has grown in AUS YoY faster than any station is recent history, its main tenant: WN is weak/headed towards it hubs (DAL/HOU), and the airport is designing itself to support efficient “hub-friendly” operations. No, AUS is not some college down - it was the fastest growing MSA for 12 years and is still among the top with talks of SAT & AUS combining metros in the future (such as DFW). Saturated with HQ’s, tech, gov travel, education, and high spending individuals - hence why Delta is betting big on it. The “best case” scenario as you pointed out is not split ops with WN. It’s Delta with full control of the BJT at 30+ gates and attempting to take more in B with 250+ daily flight. The likely scenario, which all logic points towards right now, is WN cutting back in AUS after losing FF’s, low LF’s, and poor internal margins when they attempt 18-gate volume in 2030. Delta will continue to win market share month-over-month from WN/AA as they’ve been doing and operate 15 or more gates in 2030. After a 30-40 gate Terminal B Delta will have a larger operation than its past DFW-operation with TATL & TPAC via JV’s and/or DL WB’s (highly rumored DL AUS-CDG soon). The guys that wanna keep up the claim that Delta hates pilots and will never open new bases are ignorant to say the least. And quite frankly need to get past their child like tantrums that the “company is after them”. That rhetoric gets so old.. I’ve been RR, used plenty of sick time, and constantly get paid correct the first time - DL doesn’t have it out for anyone anymore than UA or AA. The ground work is clearly being laid in AUS for a hub during a time of record profit/growth. Delta follows the money and when the money justifies a domicile it will happen. Wasting your breath if you think otherwise honestly. 3rd hub? What was the 2nd? I know BOS but that’s the only one that comes to mind as a “new” hub since the merger. “some people thing DL will become a small boutique airline” I’ve been here long enough to remember when flight ops used those exact words to tell us that was their plan. While I don’t believe ATL is th only city we will invest in. I do believe they will continue to use ATL pilots to fly the new routes from the new cities. aside from BOS, when was the last time DL opened a pilot base? Seriously. if you are so sure it is coming can you show any sign that is their plan? If you are getting paid correctly the first time consider yourself the anomaly. I have not been paid correctly several times this year and that’s not counting their failure to pay RR pay in accordance with their MEC grievance settlement. Most FOs I fly with are having the same issues. I have some very close friends at both UA and AA. Their treatment of pilots vs ours is worlds apart. How many UA pilots do you think are being disciplined for not wearing their hat while sitting down to eat? |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3941687)
im glad you are so optimistic, but……
Love the optimism and energy of your AUS plans. I hope the base opens up for your sake and the other local commuting from there. You seem very knowledgeable about the terminal and its future expansion plans, flights, etc. Out of curiosity do you know where the passengers are traveling TO and how AUS stacks up with current domiciles regarding OandD passengers? IIRC the bean counters value OandD tickets very highly when adding flights and or making a station into a base. Sincere question since I have no idea. Another question I can’t quickly resolve: why wouldn’t dal just fly 220’s and eventually other large nb out of aus instead of making it a base? Is the volume really that high? And where is everyone flying to (to repeat my original q sorry). Seriously, good luck. I look forward to you crowing to us on these pages when the AUS domicile opens up and certainly part of the reason will be from your own willpower. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3941687)
How many UA pilots do you think are being disciplined for not wearing their hat while sitting down to eat?
All the rest of your post I agree with. |
Originally Posted by tripled
(Post 3941728)
Another question I can’t quickly resolve: why wouldn’t dal just fly 220’s and eventually other large nb out of aus instead of making it a base? Is the volume really that high? And where is everyone flying to (to repeat my original q sorry).
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
(Post 3941748)
I am seriously calling to question the veracity of this story. I’m based where everyone claims that all the hat wearing jerks and nazi CPs roam the terminals. And I have never ever seen anything close to this. Ever.
All the rest of your post I agree with. I don’t have first hand knowledge of the NYC incident but it seems to have at least some credibility, given that’s same base where the RD sent a pilot home because he didn’t have his hat in the parking lot. |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 3941834)
Because IROPS, people call in sick, airplanes break. Having a crew base allows you to fix those problems with reserves, WS and GS. Otherwise you have to reroute someone (expensive now) or DH someone in (takes time). A base solves all those issues.
This is FL every summer. Also FL every winter when the WX gets crappy up north. Theres no pilot base, the company relies on locals that pick up GS with DH at the beginning. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3941844)
I have personally seen at least once where 2 members of the CPO were standing in the middle of a crowded terminal, not really close to the crew lounge, just looking around. Can’t for certain say it was for hats, but if it walks like a duck..
I don’t have first hand knowledge of the NYC incident but it seems to have at least some credibility, given that’s same base where the RD sent a pilot home because he didn’t have his hat in the parking lot. But until someone has FIRST hand knowledge of someone getting in “trouble” for not wearing a hat while sitting to eat I call this BS. |
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
(Post 3941900)
RD was a different sort of messed up. And has been gone for a while.
But until someone has FIRST hand knowledge of someone getting in “trouble” for not wearing a hat while sitting to eat I call this BS. |
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
(Post 3941900)
RD was a different sort of messed up. And has been gone for a while.
But until someone has FIRST hand knowledge of someone getting in “trouble” for not wearing a hat while sitting to eat I call this BS. Know this for a fact. |
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