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sailingfun 08-05-2025 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3935168)
As usual, you miss the big picture.

What did I miss? This was simply a test. We had 100% control if we did not like the test. If we didn’t want the test then fine. Cancel the agreement or simply let it expire. Instead we negotiated an extension. Then we let the company do the programming and set a start date. After the company set a start date DALPA put out multiple communication to the pilots on how it would work at considerable effort by some volunteers. Then we allowed the company to put the MCO positions out to bid and award those bids. Only when the monthly bid process was about to start did we snatch it down! I bet if you were one of the pilots awarded a MCO bid you would have been on here screaming bloody murder!

AirCoxswain 08-05-2025 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3935408)
What did I miss? This was simply a test. We had 100% control if we did not like the test. If we didn’t want the test then fine. Cancel the agreement or simply let it expire. Instead we negotiated an extension. Then we let the company do the programming and set a start date. After the company set a start date DALPA put out multiple communication to the pilots on how it would work at considerable effort by some volunteers. Then we allowed the company to put the MCO positions out to bid and award those bids. Only when the monthly bid process was about to start did we snatch it down! I bet if you were one of the pilots awarded a MCO bid you would have been on here screaming bloody murder!

In the VB agreement, there was to be no int'l. The company...being the company, put int'l in the first bid package. ALPA pulled it down because they weren't following the contract.

tripled 08-05-2025 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3935408)
What did I miss? This was simply a test. We had 100% control if we did not like the test. If we didn’t want the test then fine. Cancel the agreement or simply let it expire. Instead we negotiated an extension. Then we let the company do the programming and set a start date. After the company set a start date DALPA put out multiple communication to the pilots on how it would work at considerable effort by some volunteers. Then we allowed the company to put the MCO positions out to bid and award those bids. Only when the monthly bid process was about to start did we snatch it down! I bet if you were one of the pilots awarded a MCO bid you would have been on here screaming bloody murder!

the test was all but complete. The only thing remaining was to match pairings with pilots which, honestly, would have changed very little to the systemwide results of the test. Yes individually it obviously would have mattered and certainly ALL commuters can appreciate the opportunity of driving to work. But to continually say it was pulled down prematurely simply is not true. Many of us followed the process as it unfolded and still support the decision to end the VB experiment. It would not have ended well for the majority of the pilot group and that was clear by the point ALPA stopped the VB test.

OOfff 08-05-2025 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by tripled (Post 3935620)
the test was all but complete. The only thing remaining was to match pairings with pilots which, honestly, would have changed very little to the systemwide results of the test. Yes individually it obviously would have mattered and certainly ALL commuters can appreciate the opportunity of driving to work. But to continually say it was pulled down prematurely simply is not true. Many of us followed the process as it unfolded and still support the decision to end the VB experiment. It would not have ended well for the majority of the pilot group and that was clear by the point ALPA stopped the VB test.

what specifically did you see that would have been bad for the majority of the pilot group?

hockeypilot44 08-06-2025 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3935641)
what specifically did you see that would have been bad for the majority of the pilot group?

I can answer this. They could open and close VB at will. It was a violation of seniority. Those in Atlanta would have category shrink unexpectedly. Those that live in VB but on wrong fleet were out of luck.

OOfff 08-06-2025 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3935660)
I can answer this. They could open and close VB at will.

true, but it was voluntary so you’d bid for it month-to-month



It was a violation of seniority. Those in Atlanta would have category shrink unexpectedly. Those that live in VB but on wrong fleet were out of luck.
wouldn’t this apply to shifting of staffing to any base? does lax 7er flying take from atl?

FangsF15 08-06-2025 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3935681)
...wouldn’t this apply to shifting of staffing to any base? does lax 7er flying take from atl?

If you read the LAX LEC newsletters from a couple years ago, it's the other way around - ATL and NYC are shamelessly taking LAX's share of Europe flying!! ;)

/S

Sorry, couldn't resist

MJP27 08-06-2025 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3935660)
I can answer this. They could open and close VB at will. It was a violation of seniority. Those in Atlanta would have category shrink unexpectedly. Those that live in VB but on wrong fleet were out of luck.

And this is why it was ultimately taken down...the peachtree mafia.

OOfff 08-06-2025 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3935690)
If you read the LAX LEC newsletters from a couple years ago, it's the other way around - ATL and NYC are shamelessly taking LAX's share of Europe flying!! ;)

/S

Sorry, couldn't resist

sounds like a violation of seniority. we should all be atl based so nobody misses out

Valar Morghulis 08-06-2025 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by MJP27 (Post 3935691)
And this is why it was ultimately taken down...the peachtree mafia.

I looked back and it was a large majority of the MEC that voted to pull it down, so that doesn’t really support support that idea.


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