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crazyjaydawg 02-10-2026 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by FyrePilot (Post 4002107)
Let the company figure it out and negotiate for it.

they wanted the big batch sizes in the first place.



You thought about this way too much already.…..

how about a flat $100 for every phone call I get for a trip I end up not getting awarded.

See, now you’re talking. Get rid of auto accept, but 1 hour of pay for every arcos call accepted, but not awarded. It will force them to choose their batch sizes very carefully.

crazyjaydawg 02-10-2026 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 4002111)
Submitting a "call me for everything" slip and then getting mad when you get called for everything is peak pilot. Most of our problems get solved with using parameters.

That being said, I'd be all for eliminating the need to submit new slips every month. More pilots would put time and effort into submitting slips with parameters if:
1. They didn't have to every month
2. They were easier to "turn off/on"

I can’t say I agree with your first sentence, but I like your thoughts in the second half.

Why we can’t have standing slips and edit them in MiCrew is beyond me.

Nantonaku 02-10-2026 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 4002111)
Submitting a "call me for everything" slip and then getting mad when you get called for everything is peak pilot. Most of our problems get solved with using parameters.

That being said, I'd be all for eliminating the need to submit new slips every month. More pilots would put time and effort into submitting slips with parameters if:
1. They didn't have to every month
2. They were easier to "turn off/on"

Again, a company issue. If they wanted pilots using parameters they would have built an intuitive easy to use interface. Why do we have to read a full users manual for everything we do here? Want to bid for vacation - good luck finding the new form and figuring out how it works. Bidding for CQ? Good luck finding where to bid. Want to understand your pay statements? Spend an hour consolidating three different statements from three different systems. Want to get a next day WS? Dig through years of FB posts on strategies and then update your bid every morning or risk getting screwed. Reserved golden days? Training golden days? Good luck. Sick time usage? Dig through iCrew for a few hours and you might find it.

Frank Grimes 02-10-2026 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4002212)
Again, a company issue. If they wanted pilots using parameters they would have built an intuitive easy to use interface. Why do we have to read a full users manual for everything we do here? Want to bid for vacation - good luck finding the new form and figuring out how it works. Bidding for CQ? Good luck finding where to bid. Want to understand your pay statements? Spend an hour consolidating three different statements from three different systems. Want to get a next day WS? Dig through years of FB posts on strategies and then update your bid every morning or risk getting screwed. Reserved golden days? Training golden days? Good luck. Sick time usage? Dig through iCrew for a few hours and you might find it.

I don't know if the "The Files Are In The Computer??!!" Meme or "Old Man Yelling At Clouds" Meme fits better here.

SVCTA 02-11-2026 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 4002223)
I don't know if the "The Files Are In The Computer??!!" Meme or "Old Man Yelling At Clouds" Meme fits better here.

Except he's right about all of it. I have never worked anywhere that was more difficult just to work at than this place. This whole Slip/AA/23.M.7/iCrew discussion going on here the last couple of months is demonstrative of how overly complicated this place is. It doesn't need to be this way.

FyrePilot 02-11-2026 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by SVCTA (Post 4002344)
Except he's right about all of it. I have never worked anywhere that was more difficult just to work at than this place. This whole Slip/AA/23.M.7/iCrew discussion going on here the last couple of months is demonstrative of how overly complicated this place is. It doesn't need to be this way.


Icrew is garbage

every Pilot that doesn’t want age 67 to go through knows it

some pilots use it to their advantage. They use the lack of schedulers (analysts now) also to their advantage

I hope the negotiation crew asks what the company plans to do to modernize it. If no plans the next question should be “how much money on scheduling does the company want to continue to waste?” And go from there.

velosnow 02-11-2026 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 4002111)
Submitting a "call me for everything" slip and then getting mad when you get called for everything is peak pilot. Most of our problems get solved with using parameters.

That being said, I'd be all for eliminating the need to submit new slips every month. More pilots would put time and effort into submitting slips with parameters if:
1. They didn't have to every month
2. They were easier to "turn off/on"

Having a non-1980's based DOS system to manipulate our schedules would certainly go a long way.

notEnuf 02-11-2026 07:42 AM

Here's my idea, anything covered manually inside the 48 hour manual timeline pays 2X in seniority order. If you get a call with a report inside 48 hours then you get 2X and you know the trip is yours. Call it a Gold slip and when a trip reaches or is dropped into open time within 48 hours to report they just start calling pilots 1 at a time. NO ARCOS. They would only have to call the senior person and everyone would know it's coming because it should appear as an AU trip in open time. Every trip in open time is essentially soaking as a gold trip. If scheduling can't get to it in time then AU.

Khantahr 02-11-2026 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 4002361)
Here's my idea, anything covered manually inside the 48 hour manual timeline pays 2X in seniority order. If you get a call with a report inside 48 hours then you get 2X and you know the trip is yours. Call it a Gold slip and when a trip reaches or is dropped into open time within 48 hours to report they just start calling pilots 1 at a time. NO ARCOS. They would only have to call the senior person and everyone would know it's coming because it should appear as an AU trip in open time. Every trip in open time is essentially soaking as a gold trip. If scheduling can't get to it in time then AU.

Why do people want to get rid of ARCOS (the idea, not necessarily the specific app)? I don't want to talk to a scheduler, and they probably don't want to talk to me either. Improve the ARCOS system, or get a better replacement, and keep the app with the option of using the archaic phone.

Seeing the trip being offered is invaluable. I am a hard no on anything that gets rid of an app based system. Doesn't have to be ARCOS specifically.

Xray678 02-11-2026 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by immolated (Post 4002100)
The company has shown they rather throw roughly $200m per season at the issue rather than staff the scheduling department and pilots adequately. So the next "solution" will have to come during section 6 and recapture that quid to the pilot group, however they end up going about it. Don't give that away now, even if the process is a mess.

I have to laugh at this post. Increased staffing of schedulers or pilots will have very little affect. Neither one of those actions would change the fact that the majority of pilots in most categories have auto accept selected, and with 12 minutes per pilot it takes forever to get through the trip coverage ladder. In a category like ATL 320 it could take an entire day just to get through the white slips.


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