This has destroyed QOL more than anything else in the past decade, including the optimizer. Change my mind.

 

Not even close....optimizer brought commutable both end trips down to 0-2% in NYC.

Knowing ahead of time the company is going to pre-post rest (and not remove it unless you are last pilot left), allows a pilot to bid their Reserve blocks and golden days appropriately.

Signed, RES pilot who had to go to RECY partly due to smart bidding and where I placed my golden days.

 

I was actually able to swap some x days this month and the pre posted rest is a mess. Before my swaps, two 3 day blocks had pre posted rest at 0600 on the last day. I madejswapped x days and made both of those 4 day blocks now and the system added an additional 0600 rest on the new last day. So for a 4 day block I'm only available for the first 2 days. Great for paid time off, not able to pick anything up to grab some trips with soft pay though. And I'm sure it's really messing with the reserve available

 

I've noticed that sometimes they remove the rest periods after swapping x days if the rest period no longer makes sense for them. Usually they'll get me on a pre-release schedule check, showing my rest was removed.

 

I think it’s worth being said, that unless the below occurs, you have not been legally notified of your assigned rest and should let the company know you did not have knowledge of your rest. A random un-acknowledged CNO about rest is not contractual notification of a rest assignment.

“23.S.5.f. A long call pilot who is assigned a rest period:

1) prior to release from a rotation, must acknowledge such assignment prior to release.

2) via telephone contact may:

a) if contacted directly by Crew Scheduling, be placed on rest immediately, or

b) if not contacted directly by Crew Scheduling, have such rest period begin no earlier than two hours following the first attempted contact. In such case, the pilot must inform the Company within nine hours of first attempted contact if they were unable to begin their rest period as scheduled.“

 

Just to clarify, your post does not apply to rest starting at 0600 going into a golden day off or vacation day. That rest is contractually required and this is “known” even if never notified.

To further add, if you do acknowledge a rest period, and it is subsequently removed, you must also be notified of its removal either via a phone call from scheduling or on the post rotation required schedule check.

 

I just recently starting hearing griping about this on the line. I used to frequently bid reserve but have been bidding a line for at least a year now, since MSP lost HND, and the value of PB days plummeted. I am trying to understand this "rest' issue. Is this fairly a fairly accurate description of what is going on: Reserves will show positive on many days of the next month. The company then pre-posts rest and reserves available plummet to negative levels. But the company can remove the rest any time they want so reserves available is actually much greater than displayed.
I can see how this will screw Pilots over trying to change their schedules but I have also heard Pilots complaining about it causing seniority to be violated in trip assignments - senior Pilot getting a trip because junior Pilot was on rest. Now above in this thread I see a Pilot may have been bypassed for a GS due to rest. Are these legitimate issues?

Can someone please post the readers digest version of this for the line holders - many including me who have had no idea that this is happening.

Thanks Scoop

 

Is a pilot on long call even required to receive that phone call or listen to any resulting Voicemail?

 

Everything you wrote is happening. Whats worse is there is no rhyme or reason to the process.

Takes 2 reserves in the 4 day bucket, same raw group. Junior has golden X day following the LC block (thus has pre-posted rest) while senior has a standard X day with no rest. Scheduling will assign a rotation to the senior pilot instead of pulling the rest (which isn’t required for legality) of the junior pilot. Now take that example but senior has 12 pilots junior to him all with rest, and he gets hit with the rotation assignment. You can see why people are so PO’d, especially senior pilots. And guess what, once scheduling runs out of pilots without pre-posted rest they will then go in and start assigning back to the junior pilots by removing the rest periods that supposedly couldn’t be removed when they gave the senior pilot the original assignment.


But even then sometimes right from the start they will go and remove rest to assign to a junior pilot and not touch the senior pilot. Sometimes if the senior pilot gets the assignment they will call scheduling and scheduling will switch the assignment to the junior pilot, but usually not. But sometimes they will, so again there is no consistency to the process.

 

It’s the company version of putting OOBWS in for every base with no intention to fly.