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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 4024387)
It takes them a couple of minutes to mirror your phone. Then they can crack the encryption later.
also, the rate at which this happens is minuscule. They don’t care about your dog photos. They probably suspect you of a crime already. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 4024383)
Not true at all.
https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-te...our-electronic "The government has long claimed that Fourth Amendment protections prohibiting warrantless searches don’t apply at the border." https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-searc...tronic-devices "All travelers crossing the United States border are subject to CBP inspection. On rare occasions, CBP officers may search a traveler’s mobile phone, computer, camera, or other electronic devices during the inspection process." And they don't need our passwords to search our phones anymore https://epic.org/how-cbp-uses-hackin...velers-phones/ "Cellebrite produces a mobile forensics tool, Universal Forensics Extraction Device (UFED), that allows law enforcement to extract data from mobile devices, including encrypted, password-protected, and deleted data. Cellebrite also sells an analytical tool that efficiently decodes, translates, and organizes extracted data. Grayshift’s Graykey is a mobile forensic tool that can extract data from “locked and encrypted” iPhones. PenLink’s PLX software can extract and analyze location data, a person’s social media and email communications, and other files. Magnet AXIOM boasts an ability to recover data from cell phones, computers, and cloud services. To extract cell phone data, Magnet AXIOM pairs with Graykey, Cellebrite, and Oxygen software. Oxygen software, like Graykey and Cellebrite, is a forensic mobile extraction tool that advertises capabilities including “bypassing screen locks, locating passwords to backups, extracting and parsing data from secure applications and uncovering deleted data.” As of today, CBP has at least $1,299,552 worth of active contracts for Cellebrite, Grayshift, PenLink, and Magnet Forensics software." |
Originally Posted by demon llama
(Post 4024415)
sure, they can take your phone and use commercial software on it. But they can’t compel you to give them a passcode. Maybe costs you 24 hours in a holding tank. That’s a price I would be willing to pay on principle.
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Originally Posted by demon llama
(Post 4024213)
They can take your phone, but unlocking it is their problem.
You should power down your phone before re-entering the US if you're afraid of a search. You can't be made to give up your PIN. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 4024429)
Make sure you disable facial recognition if you want it to be their problem. US customs can by the way force non citizens including green Card holders to unlock their phones as a condition of entry. China’s policy simply mirrors ours.
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Originally Posted by demon llama
(Post 4024414)
sure, but that’s on them. You’re not required to give them your passcode. They can compel biometrics which is why you should power off your phone.
Originally Posted by demon llama
(Post 4024414)
also, the rate at which this happens is minuscule. They don’t care about your dog photos. They probably suspect you of a crime already.
Why did they care about me? I was randomly selected for additional screening without ever given a reason. What might me minuscule now could be the new norm in the future. Why do you think airports are using facial screening software? It is no faster than scanning a boarding pass, but now it gives a nice database so a cop can quickly scan your face when you happen to be walking past a protest event during your overnight. Now your social credit score takes a hit. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 4024463)
They already have software that can copy your entire phone. Those same software companies advertise that they have the ability to get past lock screens. It really isn't too hard to connect those dots. They don't need a passcode. There have also been numerous court cases of the CBP trying to claim that they have the right to search data on the cloud that a phone connected to at any point in history. Why would they argue that point if they didn't have the ability to do it? That means one day you might come back from vacation and CBP sees a meme you liked 20 years ago and decides you are a problem. A little A.I. analysis of your bank records shows some suspicious activity and now you get audited.
"Guility people are the only ones who should be worried" is some bootlicking logic right there. Why did they care about me? I was randomly selected for additional screening without ever given a reason. What might me minuscule now could be the new norm in the future. Why do you think airports are using facial screening software? It is no faster than scanning a boarding pass, but now it gives a nice database so a cop can quickly scan your face when you happen to be walking past a protest event during your overnight. Now your social credit score takes a hit. When you eventually are able to clear your name with the help of a very expensive lawyer, your retirement will be gone and you will have to fight to get your job back. The government doesn't need to PROVE you did anything wrong or send you to jail to completely ruin your life. Doing a perp walk as "Delta Captain Smith arrested on suspicion of terrorism" is enough to ruin your life |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 4024463)
They already have software that can copy your entire phone. Those same software companies advertise that they have the ability to get past lock screens. It really isn't too hard to connect those dots. They don't need a passcode. There have also been numerous court cases of the CBP trying to claim that they have the right to search data on the cloud that a phone connected to at any point in history. Why would they argue that point if they didn't have the ability to do it? That means one day you might come back from vacation and CBP sees a meme you liked 20 years ago and decides you are a problem. A little A.I. analysis of your bank records shows some suspicious activity and now you get audited.
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
(Post 4024474)
If you read the fine print from those companies, there are things they admit that they can't do, like break into GrapheneOS. Like crack an encrypted data dump from your phone. Like break into encrypted cloud storage from a provider like Proton.
And almost no one uses GrapheneOS or Proton. I use Proton, but I also know my phone has enough data on it for a lifetimes worth of worthless investigations if I **** off the wrong border agent. Sure, my email might be hard for them to read right now, but they will see that last month I had breakfast during a layover at a restaurant full of “No Kings” protesters. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 4024463)
They already have software that can copy your entire phone. Those same software companies advertise that they have the ability to get past lock screens. It really isn't too hard to connect those dots. They don't need a passcode. There have also been numerous court cases of the CBP trying to claim that they have the right to search data on the cloud that a phone connected to at any point in history. Why would they argue that point if they didn't have the ability to do it? That means one day you might come back from vacation and CBP sees a meme you liked 20 years ago and decides you are a problem. A little A.I. analysis of your bank records shows some suspicious activity and now you get audited.
"Guility people are the only ones who should be worried" is some bootlicking logic right there. Why did they care about me? I was randomly selected for additional screening without ever given a reason. What might me minuscule now could be the new norm in the future. Why do you think airports are using facial screening software? It is no faster than scanning a boarding pass, but now it gives a nice database so a cop can quickly scan your face when you happen to be walking past a protest event during your overnight. Now your social credit score takes a hit. |
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