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Puddytatt 06-08-2026 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 4042199)
According to my RCC contact, about a month or so ago they (company) reduced credit month-over-month by almost 10% in a single category's bid packages. This was back in the March-April timeframe.

Cool, now ask what the end-of-month credit ended up being for those same months. Highly doubt it's still 10% more efficient.

RedeyeWarrior 06-08-2026 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by artlight (Post 4041924)
Just when I think they can't get any worse. I'm stunned at how bad the July trips are on ATL 320. And by bad I mean fatiguing, high duty day, short layovers, but mostly the lack of commutability. Pick 4 day trips for any given day. Start times after 10:30am, duty off before 10:30pm. 10 rotations on a given day, only *2* of them duty out before 10:00pm. That means in order to make the trip commutable on both ends, you have to have everything go right and better hope you're not delayed 20 minutes. Or you're spending the night in ATL. So many trips are 3-2-2-3. Layovers are 14:30, 12:15, 10:40. I'm so tired at work now I can't go do anything on a layover. That's not enough time to get food, exercise, anything. Just buzz like a drone bee back and forth and collapse in your hotel room so you can wake up and do it all over the next day. The optimizer has wrung every ounce of joy out of this job. And for the newer guys it was NOT always like this.

I absolutely loathe coming to work now.

Surely that survey will have a huge impact on changing this. /s

hockeypilot44 06-08-2026 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by artlight (Post 4041924)
Just when I think they can't get any worse. I'm stunned at how bad the July trips are on ATL 320. And by bad I mean fatiguing, high duty day, short layovers, but mostly the lack of commutability. Pick 4 day trips for any given day. Start times after 10:30am, duty off before 10:30pm. 10 rotations on a given day, only *2* of them duty out before 10:00pm. That means in order to make the trip commutable on both ends, you have to have everything go right and better hope you're not delayed 20 minutes. Or you're spending the night in ATL. So many trips are 3-2-2-3. Layovers are 14:30, 12:15, 10:40. I'm so tired at work now I can't go do anything on a layover. That's not enough time to get food, exercise, anything. Just buzz like a drone bee back and forth and collapse in your hotel room so you can wake up and do it all over the next day. The optimizer has wrung every ounce of joy out of this job. And for the newer guys it was NOT always like this.

I absolutely loathe coming to work now.

I agree and feel the exact same way. The optimizer has gotten stupid. 2 hour plus sits everytime I go through hub usually extended by a delay for no extra sit pay, and a 10-11 hour layover to do it over again.

DWC CAP10 USAF 06-08-2026 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 4042243)
Cool, now ask what the end-of-month credit ended up being for those same months. Highly doubt it's still 10% more efficient.

Why don’t you submit a dart to the RCC and report back what the tell you. I’m not your errand boy.

Puddytatt 06-08-2026 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 4042287)
Why don’t you submit a dart to the RCC and report back what the tell you. I’m not your errand boy.

That was a rhetorical question, but thanks for the suggestion.

DWC CAP10 USAF 06-08-2026 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 4042288)
That was a rhetorical question, but thanks for the suggestion.

The actual credit is really irrelevant from a bid package perspective.

Company is running out of TLV cap space, so they run the ALV as high as they can and extract as much *scheduled* flying out of each pilot.

But if the month falls apart because of no slop (credit), that doesn’t change the fact that the TLV is based on ALV, not the actual LV’s at the end of the month.

avi8tor220 06-10-2026 02:42 PM

Any NYC320A here doing the rolling thunder? Thinking of bidding reserve for July. Around 64%.

tennisguru 06-10-2026 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 4042852)
Any NYC320A here doing the rolling thunder? Thinking of bidding reserve for July. Around 64%.

You’re better off just checking people’s schedules on icrew who are on reserve around your seniority to see what people are pulling off.

Gunfighter 06-10-2026 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 4042852)
Any NYC320A here doing the rolling thunder? Thinking of bidding reserve for July. Around 64%.

Doubtful. Lots of G#1 in late May. You’d need G#4+ to roll thunder.

CX500T 06-10-2026 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 4042862)
Doubtful. Lots of G#1 in late May. You’d need G#4+ to roll thunder.

Not 320, but looking 50/50 on if I can roll thunder in June as a NYC 7ERA at 67%

3 day QS and 5 day GS and its only the 10th.

Manning is fine. Coverage is fine. All is well.

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