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Always love your posts, gloopy. But maybe that's moot.
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Originally Posted by ExAF
(Post 1414526)
Now back to a topic we all like....
Rumor from the schoolhouse is 30 A-321s and 10 A-330s is pretty much a done deal. Should also provide RNP approach certification. That is all.:p Baja. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1414569)
Actually, FTB, I thought I'd take some Prilosec!;)
As for the other part of your post, I cannot disagree with it but I can ask a question: Won't the total amount of flying these other carriers do for us actually shrink by the end of this contract.........? Denny :D
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1414770)
It is JB, but not out of NY. At least, not initially. They will use their DL/AA/US provided sanctuary of BOS at the test bed, and pad it with every flag of convienience carrier that flies there as well. They will jump on ATL (again) and either CVG or MSP initially. Probably CVG since the airport CEO there still thinks there is the "Southwest Effect" of the 90's. CVG will likely be heavilly subsidized. Not sure about ATL although I'd be shocked if it wasn't to some degree. They are also about to get really bold into SA/LA.
They think their current trend against a BK AA will continue and they think DL's trend to panic run away from capacity to preserve yields at all costs serves up DL markets to them on a silver platter that they can pick from at their leisure. I think they are in for a world of hurt against AA in a year or two tops, once they get their act together. DL's reaction is less than certain. Either way I think its a fantastic thing! First of all, its inevitable. Our path towards 99.9999999% load factor for all eternity, managing yields by endless consolidation and shrinkage is just begging for predatory competition. Its going to happen either way, and DL has proven it can hammer JB hard when it wants to. All this could end up being a mute (moo?) point anyway since they are very likely going to be a participant in future consolidation, but in the meantime it will force DL's hand. Investors have finally started to question DL's capacity cannibalization as an endless strategy. If a very vulnerable "LCC" can poach DL capacity at will like JB thinks they can, investors will start to see that the emperor has less and less clothes on by the day. If DL can't/won't fight back and win this coming assault, DL won't be and won't deserve to be anything near "investment grade" at least not for long. This will force our hand and that's a great thing. Our current trajectory has to change, and this is the perfect catalyst to test if now is the time its starting to. CVG would be a problem, or would it? They'd have to figure out a way to make CVG work again. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1414822)
Saying there is a reduction in the use of outsourced flying (Alaska, AF/KLM, Skyteam, maybe Virgin, Shuttle America, GoJet, ExpressJet, Republic, Pinch-a-nickle, etc) due to PWA 2012 is like saying there is a reduction in a man's sex drive after he peaks at 18. See the following youtube video for an explanation of said reduction in "drive":
:D So JB comes in ATL with ATL-BOS... Delta announces A333s will now be doing ATL-BOS supplemented by some somewhat smaller 764s and 763s. CVG would be a problem, or would it? They'd have to figure out a way to make CVG work again. |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1414831)
If CVG was profitable, DAL wouldn't have scaled back and SWA would have moved in long ago. It's a ghost town these days.
Agreed. The CVG - PIT - CMH triangle is somewhat of a dead zone for airline markets. Many airlines have tried to make a go in them but eventually scale back. I just don't think they have the O and D traffic. And what there is, Delta has done well at locking up the corporate contracts (Like Proctor and Gamble in CVG) and we do a good job of cherry picking some higher revenue flights (like CMH-LAX). I'm sure Jetblue would love to expand into the midwest, but this isn't 2004 and Delta is a much stronger competitor that can offer a good product at a similar price. I see Jetblue as more of an acquisition target for someone soon. |
Thread Drift...
Since you guys at delta don't mind some thread drift....
Check out these photos of planes left behind after everyone lived through the crash... It's called "Happy End" And no, its not "endings"!:rolleyes: 'Happy End' - a Photo-Book about Miracles in Aviation History | Indiegogo |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1414629)
Good to know your position, and even better if all your reps are aware of it too.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Captain Moak, This letter is to advise you of the unanimous opinion of the Delta MEC regarding your signing of the Pinnacle agreement that completely subverted the rightful role of the Delta MEC. We are requesting a letter of apology from you on behalf of ALPA national to the pilots of Delta Air Lines and their elected representatives. This letter must also include a pledge to never again act on behalf of Delta pilots without the direct participation of the Delta MEC. We will be expecting this letter no later than 30 days from today. Should this letter not be forthcoming within the timeframe stated above, the Delta MEC is unanimously resolved to no longer be affiliated with the Airline Pilot's Association. It is imperative for you to understand the importance the Delta MEC places on all parties within ALPA operating in strict adherence to the policies that make our union a truly bottom up organization. Your actions in the Pinnacle matter were in direct contravention of those policies in our opinion and can never be allowed again. DALPA either controls the interests of the pilots they represent, or they do not. We require a clear answer to that question. Although your actions have produced great mistrust among many Delta pilots, we still believe there is a solution if all can be confident of this never happening again. We look forward to your letter inclusive of the items we must have in order to continue our relationship. Regards... ------------------------------------------------------------------- Now here are my 2 questions for you ACL: First, would you sign off on a letter that had this as its basic premise? Second, if Moak wrote back and said go pound sand, would you follow through in ending our affiliation with ALPA and creating a new independent union? Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1414444)
Well, if it will stick to a 747 at the speeds you operate ...
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...fFQ-w4VhVREH1c FYI, MMO on the 747-200 was .92 M even duck tape wont do it! |
Originally Posted by One Taco
(Post 1414802)
Always love your posts, gloopy. But maybe that's moot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=YIkJ4BUChxI |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1414822)
So JB comes in ATL with ATL-BOS... Delta announces A333s will now be doing ATL-BOS supplemented by some somewhat smaller 764s and 763s.
CVG would be a problem, or would it? They'd have to figure out a way to make CVG work again. Anyway JB is just trying to put another dot on the map as they and other LCC's grow into their massive collective order books. Never mind that there is clearly not room for the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of growth aircraft the sector has on order, not even including the overly ambitious IndyAir wanna be's out there going bat poo crazy with the juiced up next gen orders. The current trend vector says DL (and others) will gift market share to preserve margins. If they are wrong, they are extremely vulnerable. The new mega-3 plus SWA could collectively crush them with ease just by each picking 5-10 top JB markets to agressively bleed out while still remaining profitable. They only way they could retaliate would be to bleed out additional markets, but that would quickly make it worse for them. Or they could be right and slowly add another couple hundred planes and go widebody international as well, almost all poached from existing legacy capacity. They're about to kick some serious sand in our faces. Your move RA. |
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