Wall Street does not like airlines. Maybe the ATA stating that revenue is going to be down by 30% YOY might have something to do with it. This economy sucks, and airlines are in the wrong business during this time. We are DAL will weather this storm a lot better than others. This winter is going to be very tough on all but the top few carriers. I am glad we are at DAL!

No rise here. I wish all of us Good Luck, & that includes Regional guys. I don't understand why Joe comes on here and calls himself scooter trash. I flew RJs. I know where I came from. I don't consider Regional pilots scooter trash.

And another thing. He says he finds it interesting that more & more Mainline pilots want his airplane. Well, 1st of all the newbies have seen how outsourced RJs can hurt our careers, BOTH Mainline AND Regional pilots.

Second, we aren't the same Mainline pilots that were too good to fly RJs. We are interested in protecting the jobs of our Regional Brothers & Sisters, and eliminating the conflicting interests of of ALPA National who simply CANNOT enhance and protect the Careers of both Mainline & Regional Pilots. It simply can't be done.

I understand Joe,

I am not questioning your decision, just validating mine (so far). Awh, who am I kidding? My commuter sucked so much I'd be better off even if I had left it for the greener pastures of head grounds-keeper. "Here gopher, gopher, gopher...."

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Joe. You are comparing the best contract ASA has ever had to the most concessionary contract Delta has had and still the numbers are very close.

Let’s see how close we can come:

ASA 15 Year Captain and 18 Year Captain on 1/1/2010
CR2 $90.87 / $98.93
CR7 $96.73 / $105.70

Delta 2nd Year FO and 3rd Year FO on 1/1/2010
M88 $75.13 / $88.00 >>with 13% DC>> $84.90 / $99.44
737 $82.91 / $97.00 >>with 13% DC>> $93.69 / $109.61

Joe, keep telling yourself that its ok that you can't leave ASA and anyway you're making as much as a MD88 3d year FO after a 50% pay cut, so you're doing "great!" Oh yea, if it helps validate you, you are squashing those 2nd year MD88 FOs by like $10. Good on ya!

BTW, does it make you feel good about your position we you have to compare your 15-18 year Captain rates to the lowest paid FO rates?

Where do you think your pay will be in 10 year?

Where do you think that 2nd year MD88 FO's pay will be in 10 years?

If the 88's are around in 10 years the rates will be near 130 an hr with just COLA.

You are correct for now.

However there are a lot of resets in your contract, the first big one is coming up in about a year. It will be interesting to see if ASA is able to meet its contractual requirements and maintain its current agreement or what the consequences of not making them will be.

I think one thing Joe is getting at we can discuss amongst those in the position to decide whether to do it. He seems to get at why do we say its better to be at DAL when we are willing to fly these large RJs for the same price? (I'd quote, iphone not behaving but this is honestly what I read a page ago).

This morning I was in DFW, there was me and my 88 and 4 CRJ-900s tied up to a gate. One going to JFK, another to MSP, MEM, etc. Would we be willing to fly the CRJ900s and EJets for less?

Well, yes and no. We already have pay rates determined for the CRJ900 and the large Ejets. I want these planes at mainline. Would I fly it for less? Absolutely... for a very short time. I believe from a Collin Cowherd eyeball test that even if you paid a DAL mainline crew more to fly the same jet we'd do it for less than hiring another entire airline to fly it for you for a profit and have no control over their quality, Mesa, or aspirations, RAH.

Joe, I think Comair and Mesaba pilots and like I mentioned ExpressJet pilots are screaming as loud as they can, and thats being echoed by the mainline pilots here, to beware of believing a regional airline is safe and your seat, aircraft and QOL are safe. Especially as your legacy costs increase and fuel knock your casms beyond whats remotely reasonable.

I've heard for years that DAL pilots said they didn't want to fly anything smaller than an MD88/737/DC9.
In 21+ years I've never heard anyone actually say anything of the sort.

Fuel prices are down and swine flu is not supposed to be any worse than the normal flu.

We have some good candidates running for office on C44.

Anyone? Anyone got Delta news?

There are some strong hints in Delta's annual report (ASA drops from 141 aircraft under contract this year to 16 in 2020) and the plans to park a bunch of their aircraft next year.

Joe won't like it much when "his" flying is shipped to a lower cost regional like PCL or Compass.