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Originally Posted by Schwanker
(Post 748457)
Point is - we have fences. They are part of the arbitrated settlement and they are not going to go away without legal action (I know:( Stand by). The good thing is five years will go by pretty quickly. I guess its the guys who only have 5 or so years left who are upset with the fences and I doubt many of them frequent APC. Scoop I also agree that we need to standby for the lawsuits. You know that when they go in front of the panel again, those three could just knock em down. Unlikely unless asked, but it is like court. Nothing is a sure thing in front of a jury or a set of arbitrators. |
IF it's the usual suspects taking this to arbitration, they were smacked down in Federal Court over the NWA DC targeting plan several times. But, they kept appealing it.
IF it's the usual suspects, they won't go quietly. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 748471)
Do you guys think the company might come out with another early retirement plan?
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 748481)
True, but some of them seem to be popping up as of late. Word is getting around about this board. Add to it, there are many lurkers that just cannot stand it any more. They are starting to post. That is good, it generally will add to the discussion. You can see how many ppl and how many posts are by those ppl on this thread. It is interesting. I also agree that we need to standby for the lawsuits. You know that when they go in front of the panel again, those three could just knock em down. Unlikely unless asked, but it is like court. Nothing is a sure thing in front of a jury or a set of arbitrators. I agree with you about the general relationship between fences and unity, and would have preferred an award without fences (even if they don't impact me). But the award did contain fences. Unfortunately, it's the qualifiers that become a little nebulous. They allow for 1) arbitrator job security, and 2) a place to go for those who live to exploit the small loopholes in our contract, and thrive on conflict. So, you can expect the arbitrators to clean up and qualify the replacement aircraft language, but I don't see how/why they would remove the fences altogether. OTOH, like you I can see how we could negotiate a settlement, and agree to dump the fences, or modify them, or preempt the arbitrators and agree on clearer terms for the replacement aircraft qualifiers. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 748518)
Monitor... coffee....
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Will APC ever update our profile with new rates and DC contribution? Otherwise idk my rate. This site is my only source of co info. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 748520)
VERY unlikely unless asked...
I agree with you about the general relationship between fences and unity, and would have preferred an award without fences (even if they don't impact me). But the award did contain fences. Unfortunately, it's the qualifiers that become a little nebulous. They allow for 1) arbitrator job security, and 2) a place to go for those who live to exploit the small loopholes in our contract, and thrive on conflict. So, you can expect the arbitrators to clean up and qualify the replacement aircraft language, but I don't see how/why they would remove the fences altogether. OTOH, like you I can see how we could negotiate a settlement, and agree to dump the fences, or modify them, or preempt the arbitrators and agree on clearer terms for the replacement aircraft qualifiers. Yep, the whole premise behind this first "boomer out of the barn." makes me curious what direction we are will be turning in regards to the fences. Many things are going to transpire in the coming months and years that will make these fences a sticking point. Yes, they are always bones of contention. Where I see us going is more of one jet or the other, and a decision or need to define what is or is not replacement. Once that is determined and or defined, we move to the next step. That step is in effect: "If the current jets will stay for the remainder of the fences, there will be equal opportunity on both former lists for advancement, so...... It all SHOULD result in, what is best for the group as a whole, not a few "I's." |
Originally Posted by BigGuns
(Post 748525)
Will APC ever update our profile with new rates and DC contribution? Otherwise idk my rate. This site is my only source of co info. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
(Post 748525)
Will APC ever update our profile with new rates and DC contribution? Otherwise idk my rate. This site is my only source of co info. :rolleyes:
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