No gzsg, WHY do YOU FEEL and spout off nonsense such as management wants to reduce profit sharing?

There IS NO proposal to cut profit sharing.
There IS NO proposal to continue pay banding.

There hasn't and won't be any proposals or openers to exchange until next spring. Be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. There are 4 webinars coming up where Delta pilots can have a direct hand in helping craft the topics for the contract survey. This will be a perfect opportunity to make sure your voice is heard and have an influence on the direction of the Delta pilots. I'll take part in one of these webinars to make sure that I've done my part in a real way to make sure that the Delta Pilot's voices are not only being heard, but being asked about the relevant subjects.

Sign up here: http://dalm.ec/webinar

Please don't feed the troll. /ignore works really well until he gets quoted. Trust me on this, you'll enjoy these forums a lot more without reading his whiny propaganda.

Shiz

I'm glad you are taking the time to provide your input. I wish every Delta pilot would.

I always take the time to provide input and put questions forth to consider.

Months before agreeing to CDOs I wrote the entire MEC letting them know my opposition to them and why. Yet the line pilots were never informed about this concession until it was almost too late. That is not acceptable.

I certainly hope reducing profit sharing and longer freezes never comes up. Who makes concessions during record profits?

I hope the survey asks whether our pilots desire longer freezes. And whether they want to further reduce profit sharing during record profits.

Thanks again for participating.

Jerry

What you and I consider a concession, was not universally viewed that way Jerry. You have some very good points, but you tend to paint with a really broad brush which at times diminishes your message... imho. There are some pilots that would have liked those things. My contention with them was that I firmly believe they are unsafe. Period. The productivity crowd loved them because it was 9 days of work a month. I just don't believe there was any way to protect those that did not want to do them.

One man's trash and all that.

I'm with you and was completely against the CDOs. I have a huge problem with the process as well. CDOs were thrown in without any feedback from the pilot group. The TA allowed for some very lengthy block times on this. Talking with the regional guys who do these regularly (and like them), they say anything greater than 45-50 minute flight times (1:10 block or so) becomes very exhausting. Somehow we negotiated for 2:30 blocks (ok, shooting from memory cuz I'm too lazy to look it up). This was unbelievable.

CDO's are quite safe. The regionals do 100's of them every night without issue.

I'm an old man now. I can't stay up that late anymore. I can't even make it to Jay Leno... or whoever is in his place now.

Get off my lawn.

Yet we often stay up all night long and then land in interesting places like Bombay and Moscow.

YOU do. I'm in Vegas. Got here at 9pm. I don't fly one leg past midnight this entire month. I can't throw bags on those flights... but.... you get a nice 3 hour nap in the middle, so it isn't nearly as taxing as the LAX-JFK allnighters (which I don't do either)

Well, if you have a 3 hour break, can you go to sleep on minute one and wake up 3 hours later? I think not. I think most guys are like me and takes at least 15 to 20 minutes to eventually get back in the seat and start resting, then you have all the noise from the galley etc. You are lucky if you can get 2 hours of sleep in a 3 hour middle break. Don't get me started on 1st and 3rd...

Yes, it is better than LAX-JFK allnighters, no doubt. But are you saying you do not fly international trips any more because you cannot make it past Fallon?:)

Denny