I'm in! Sign me up. Also, I just went on a website last night and ordered 100 Red lanyards with black block lettering that states, "C2015 EARLY & OFF TARGET". If we would all order something similar to this, and hand then out on our trips, we could make a HUGE impact! Total investment was $147

Never said I like it. In fact I am leaning to a no vote. I still do not understand some parts of it and need more data. If you want someone to vote no and post obviously wrong data about the contract you lose all credibility. Everything you post becomes suspect.

Anybody mention telling the f\a's in the van that their profit sharing will be cut almost in half if t/a passes? That our pay raise is essentially being funded by their losing their profit sharing? (cost neutral contract to company!) could also tell gate agents, mechanics... If enough employees are complaining to the 'yes' voters, it might get the message across.

This is exactly what I talked about in the above post. Telling people the profit sharing will be cut in half. Why not just tell them the truth?

Excellent idea, PD. I'm currently creating a pamphlet to be distributed at roadshows, crewrooms, etc, and will be involving quite a few of the posters you mention. Having a list of questions to ask at the road shows, especially questions that tie into data in the pamphlet, would be very useful. Would you like to submit a few to this thread? That goes for everyone, actually.

Because FAs will believe anything you tell them? :p

In all seriousness, I've been telling FAs that our TA will cut our own profit sharing by about 33% at Delta's expected profit level this year, somewhat less if they make more or less, and they can expect Delta to implement the same for them if it passes. Their usual reaction: "Vote it Down!" Very amusing coming from ladies with anti-union bag tags....

Here's a couple I intend to ask at the ATL road show:

1. How much more money does Delta have to make before you stop giving them concessions in EVERY CONTRACT?? Is $4 Billion not enough? How about $6 Billion? Still not enough?

2. Why are you more concerned about solving Management's sick leave problem, than solving our retirement pay problem, and our 11 year old pay rate problem?

I'm fairly certain that if our TA is approved, then all the other employee groups will get a modest pay raise too. It will be a necessity for Delta to keep the peace.

From my experience in a democracy gaining the support of the middle 20% is the key to victory. Most of the time the 40% on either end are entrenched and will not have their minds changed. I know this because I hold an elected office in the state I live in and have held it for nearly eight years. (Not the guy in SLC with the same name BTW). When I am campaigning I need to not only find those middle 20% folks but I need to convince them that I am not only correct in my views but also trustworthy and deserving of their support.



Here is the part where I am going to totally open my self up. I have never voted no on a contract since I was hired by Delta in 1999. I am a fairly emotional person. I wear it right out there on my sleeve. If you have ever flown with me you know how much I love flying and how much I love Delta Air Lines. You know that I have wanted to be a pilot for Delta since I was ten years old. I reached my dream via Learjet’s in South Florida, L1011’s for a company in Miami and Cathay Pacific in Hong Kong. Fulfilling my dream of being a captain for Delta happened in January of this year.



I am the guy who stands at the gate and makes the IROPS PA’s. I am the guy who stands in the doorway or jet way during deplaning and boarding. I am the guy who makes sure the cabin crew eats. I am the guy who thanks the platinum’s and the diamond HVC’s for their loyalty. I tell them thank you for buying tickets so I can pay the mortgage on my home. When I put my 13 and 11-year-old boys to bed at night they pray for Richard Anderson and his family by name. They pray for every one of you every night. They pray for your safety and that you will make good decisions no matter what. I am that guy. I do not say this to lift myself up. I say it so you know my heart and how much I love what I do for Delta.



We need to find those middle 20% and convince them that this TA is wrong. I believe it to not only be wrong from the point of view of bad representation but I believe it to be unjustified. Many people had to purposefully make the decision to bring us this TA. Those people are in one of those groups of 40%. We can defeat them if we find the middle 20%. It can be done. Just look to your left or right. They are sitting right there.



When we deliver our message about our feelings we need to lead with how much we love our jobs and how much we love Delta. If we do that people will listen. Remember if they reject you without a fair hearing they are in the 40%. Move on. Find the 20%.



If you look back in history Ronald Reagan told America how great we were at one of the lowest points in modern American history. We needed to change some things. We listened and we let him do it. He laid the foundation for defeating Communism and it changed the world. Many of you reading this letter helped him do it. Our mission, in a way, is similar. We have to tell others how great flying for Delta is all the while telling them how bad this TA is. Find the 20%, They will listen. It will work. I have done it.

I am voting no.

Tim Cosgrove

NYC73NA


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KEEP CALM, EVERYTHING IS FINE!!!!!!!!

We need to compel ALPA to re-run the past 3 months of monthly bids with the LCA trips removed and release the wide and reason reports. All the data is there already. Those pay rates won't look so good when they see their new schedule/seniority has pushed them to reserve, flying weekends, uncommutable trips, etc. We have a very easy way to shine this QOL issue in a very personal way.

That's accurate. Just read RA'S post on Deltanet. He implies exactly that. He fails to mention, however, that this pay raise will come from a trade in of their profit sharing, just like ours did.

Let everyone know that in section 14 of the new TA. Besides the 15 days sick look back in 365 days. There is also the invasion of your privacy look back. This is retroactive day of signing. 24 days sick in 365 and 52 days sick in 3yr look back. Delta now will have access to all your medical and prescription and anything else records!!! Basically cart blanch to your private life. Vote NO!

Nice post FTB. Trashing the company that pays our bills and let's us pay for our kids college education goes nowhere. DPA? Eyes glaze over. It's business. We need to get rid of the indignant emotion and treat it that way. We know why the company wanted to do this early I think. PS reduction so they can do the same for the rest of the employees. We know why the union wanted to settle early. They are firm believers that small consistent raises beat waiting for a homerun years down the road. The fact is we gain so little in this we lose very little by sending it back. We have leverage now that we may not ever have again. Business decision.

I think the idea of printing out the bid package with the lcas is a great idea. Then you x out the trips and get a visual picture. Is there a way of finding all of them. I will reach out to my contact. any
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I will spear head that charge I just need a way to get a list of check airman

Here's the actual language of the TA. It's Section 14.A.21:

21. “Medical release threshold” means:
a. on a rolling consecutive 365 day basis, 24 or more work days missed due to sickness,
or,
b. on a rolling consecutive 1095 day basis, 56 or more work days missed due to
sickness.


Carl

Illini,
We can go one step further. We can see the entire cascading effect of pulling 75% of the LCA's trips has for EVERY FO, by just by re-running old months and printing the reports as if it was a current bid under their new proposal. If they squawk about not being able to replace the 25% yet, we can just randomize it. I would hope that ALPA would have been smart enough to have done this already. However the "this would only affect 180 FOs" comment is unbelievable. I'm willing to bet that 75% of every FO's bid is changed somewhat, and every FO can evaluate how it affects his personal QOL. Cheers.

I do not work for Delta, but if I did I would want more coworkers like this working alongside me. I applaud your efforts, sir. 👏

I agree with this,but what is sad is that the mec yes voters couldn't even come out with an endorsement of this TA.All our mec did was to vote yes to put it out for a member vote. There is NO endorsement of this TA that came out of last weeks vote.

Bump This needs to stay near the top!