Agreed.

I'm completely happy being parked by the NMB for a few years and cashing my Profit Sharing Checks while we wait.

Wind the clock and say....

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That video clip is awesome! Makes me laugh every time I see it.

That is accurate. With C2012 3.B.4 we will get 3/3/3 most likely which is 9.25%.

With C2015 we will net about 14.25% after profit sharing cuts with a $6B PTIX.

So this TA will give us about 5% more over three years. That said it does give us downside protections. And concessions.

You just have to decide if it's worth it while we head toward a profit of $10B.

I'd take a 5% paycut just to see delta's first no. The company will be back at the table stat. If not let time and leverage work against them. They are up against immense pressure with JV, CS and PS.


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Cashing PS checks, getting better schedules if you are an FO, more money from the grievance of being out of compliance with the AF JV (or more widebody jobs to be in compliance), no hassles with sick calls, AND E-190's that will show up regardless of what happens with the TA.

Why would anyone vote YES for this TA?

Sailing seems quite knowledgeable. I think he had read that far. He was just hoping you hadn't.

Because they were not presented all of the facts by the union that claims to represent them.

It's three years late, but I'm voting for C2012 this time around. No concessions and 9.25% over the next three years is fine by me. I'll make up the pay spread with one LCA OE drop and another JV grievance. I'll enjoy bidding on ALL trips in the bid pack and keeping my medical records private for 3-5 years while parked with the NMB. And I'll have more time off, because the ALV won't get raised.

Anyone find humor in the fact that in the same contract they want to take away the FO's (line pilot) ability to bid with LCA's, while improving the LCA's (pseudo management) pay.

I bet if they asked for the LCA's to bid first (before all other Captains) like some airlines do then more people would be up in arms about this.

This.

I've read everything the union has put out on the TA, I've wanted to believe everything they've written, I want to find a reason to vote yes for this TA, but simply can't.

The pay is good, but the price of admission is too high, the aggarate of concessions too much, in this, probably the best negotiating environment I've seen in my career. This is probably the largest gap in expectations and results I've seen in a TA, including bankruptcy. It makes me literally ill (that I won't be able to verify) that after all the hyperbole and record company profits that this is the best they could bring us, that those I entrusted to represent and negotiate for me didn't have the sense of self-worth to walk away from this.

After 2012 and the delayed hiring that was blamed on Anderson there was speculation that the company was intentionally creating a staffing problem ALPA would be asked to fix. They June sick leave reset was managements ask as I recall, again ALPA to the rescue.

Now after bringing me a TA that never should have been I'm being browbeaten and sold that the most compelling reason to vote for it is we won't get anything better?

As Gunfighter states, I'll possibly be money, and certainly QOL ahead. This is like selling family heirlooms for a night on the town.

Just can't do it. The money isn't worth it.

Actually I missed that part however if the company wants to manipulate it there still are ways. I don't quite understand the rolling 18 month part either. The company has already stated they are making pay changes in the next few weeks. They could give a large raise now and another one on 31 Dec. Then skip a raise until for two years. That would leave us with a zero increase.