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KnotSoFast 06-26-2015 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1916165)
True, but there are lines, and I am betting that some are being balanced on.

And some may be hung by them, I'm betting.

sailingfun 06-26-2015 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1916148)
Considering the situation, I think the majority of us have shown admirable restraint. I know I have been very conscious of where the line is drawn.

On the other hand, we do have a right to freedom of speech. It's that inconvenient constitutional thingy.

It's been consistently upheld in the courts that unions do not have the right to organize or promote other activities at company worksites or on the property. That is why you have never seen flight attendant Union organizers in the lounges. I believe even Dalpa has to get permission from the company to set up in the lounge every time. Did the anti TA group ask for permission to use the lounges would be the first question to ask. If on the other hand you set up in the terminal the company would have no say. You might however need a permit from each airport.

Wuggs 06-26-2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Woofers (Post 1916120)
Yes, but why feel the need to pass anything out at all? Seriously, do you think that your fellow co workers are so ignorant and stupid they can't figure anything out for themselves? Do they need your guiding light to help them through the process?

There is information EVERYWHERE. Pro, Con, from the union, not from the union, online, offline, etc. Y'all actually sound like a bunch of control freaks to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

This post actually made me laugh; Woofers has no problem with ALPA putting out information but let a TA critic hand out info and Woofer is apoplectic. He acknowledges that there is information everywhere but somehow handing out LEC letters in the pilot lounge represents a threat. And the funny part was where he accused others of being control freaks when it is DALPA and management who are trying to control the information flow. Priceless!

Carl Spackler 06-26-2015 05:46 PM

Hey guys, a quick note about the scare tactics posted by guys like sailingfun, hitimefurl, KnotSoFast, etc...there are no worries about speaking your mind on social media. The ONLY thing you need to refrain from is criticizing your employer. That's it. From what I've read, almost nobody is doing that. In fact, most are amazed at how adept our management was at winning.

The criticism on this is clear, and that is of our union leadership and their behavior. That is, and always will be, 100% protected speech and unquestioned by your employer.

Carl

sailingfun 06-26-2015 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1916273)
Hey guys, a quick note about the scare tactics posted by guys like sailingfun, hitimefurl, KnotSoFast, etc...there are no worries about speaking your mind on social media. The ONLY thing you need to refrain from is criticizing your employer. That's it. From what I've read, almost nobody is doing that. In fact, most are amazed at how adept our management was at winning.

The criticism on this is clear, and that is of our union leadership and their behavior. That is, and always will be, 100% protected speech and unquestioned by your employer.

Carl

Please show the post by me you are referencing?

Carl Spackler 06-26-2015 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1916280)
Please show the post by me you are referencing?

Post #22.

Carl

sailingfun 06-26-2015 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1916290)
Post #22.

Carl

I referenced social media where in that post? The scare tactic was what in that post?

Carl Spackler 06-26-2015 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1916292)
I referenced social media where in that post? The scare tactic was what in that post?

Here:


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1916179)
It's been consistently upheld in the courts that unions do not have the right to organize or promote other activities at company worksites or on the property.

You purposely conflated Union organizing, with member criticism of their union, and then talked about the courts upholding it. Pure FUD. Union organizing isn't allowed, but nobody was discussing that. Criticizing your union is specifically allowed ANYWHERE by the NLRB.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1916179)
Did the anti TA group ask for permission to use the lounges would be the first question to ask.

Being anti-TA is protected by the NLRB. Your questioning of it is a scare tactic.

Carl

BobZ 06-26-2015 06:35 PM

sailing....you are wrong. the AFA was allowed all kinds of access to company property in the organizing effort at delta.

Gomerglideslope 06-26-2015 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1916148)
Considering the situation, I think the majority of us have shown admirable restraint. I know I have been very conscious of where the line is drawn.

On the other hand, we do have a right to freedom of speech. It's that inconvenient constitutional thingy.

I think the point is that "constitutional thingy" doesn't give you the right to set up a table or pass out information in the pilot lounge if management forbids it (or requires permission for such activity)


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